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    Quote Originally Posted by mihaidascalescu View Post
    ce nu este stiintific?
    Pe bune!
    Uite de ex aici, mai gasesti si in alte locuri: http://www.worldsciencefestival.com/...-interstellar/
    Oricum nu asta e dezamagirea mare a filmului pentru ca am vazut altele vizibil aiuristice si nu ma deranjeaza.
    "If the doors of perception were cleansed everything would appear to man as it is: infinite." William Blake

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    SPOILER ALERT

    Din articolul pus de tine: o gramada de lucruri au fost puse in premiera. Bineinteles ca sunt si partile F din SF si cred ca la aia te referi dar ai gresit genul. Sunt si parti nici S nici F care ma zgirie dar trebuie sa-i dam ce merita.
    Even for a science fiction film, Interstellar contains a lot of science. It starts with ecology, agriculture, and atmospheric science. It touches on robotics and aeronautics. There’s orbital mechanics and planetary science and, of course, relativity.

    I don’t know if I would recommend Interstellar. Some of the visuals are gorgeous, of course, and it legitimately rivals 2001 and Gravity in that regard. The spacecraft is depicted in a reasonably realistic way, as are a lot of little details about space travel. The spectacular visualizations of the black hole and wormhole are apparently based on such accurate physics that they are being written up for a scientific paper

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny D View Post
    Discutii carora o sa ma alatur peste vreo juma de an cand apare in format DVD/BluRay.
    In loc sa irosesti la pariuri da si tu 5 lei si vezi-l la cinema.

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    Mihaidascalescu: departe de mine sa refuz cuiva dreptul de a aprecia ceea ce mie nu-mi place. Eu mi-am spus parerea despre film si am precizat de ce. Nu contest o anumita valoare a filmului, numai ca eu nu-l consider asa de bun pe cat ma asteptam.
    Sunt mare amator de SF deci nu asta ma deranjeaza. Ma deranjeaza panta abrupta pe care se duce la un moment dat si am explicat-o anterior. Ma mai deranjeaza si altele legate de casting si dialoguri/scneariu. Pentru mine asta ii reduce din valoare si nu-l vad ca pe o referinta.
    Dar nu inseamna ca gustul meu e norma si e foarte posibil sa rupa o sumedenie de Oscaruri si Globuri.
    Atat si fara spoilere.
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    ok, Interstellar nu e cel mai bun film al tuturor timpurilor .

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    Nu am vorbit de apreciere sau neapreciere. Tu ai mentionat ceva acolo:
    Quote Originally Posted by Utilizator View Post
    Din punctul meu de vedere partea cu gaura neagra e deplasata si nu are mai nimic stiintific..
    Nu conteaza punctul de vedere cind vorbim de stiinta. Ceva este sau nu este stiintific.

    Tu mai sus ai spus ca nu este.
    Eu, citind exact din articolul tau, ti-am aratat ca de fapt s-au straduit chiar mult de tot sa bage stiinta in el, see scientific paper.

    Cit despre meritele artistice ale filmului nu cred ca se ridica la nivelul 2001 desi the jury is out deocamdata. Cred ca se impun vizionari mai multe pt mine.

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    Despre stiinta ti-am spus parerea mea care e corecta deocamdata si pe baza cunostintelor omenirii de azi.
    Peste multe chestii corecte, cea mentionata anterior mi s-a parut aberanta si fara sens.
    Altfel e trivia ca s-au straduit sa 'bage stiinta in film'.
    Kip Thorne le-a fost consultant apropiat si omul e considerat autoritate in astrofizica.
    Articolul pe care-l citam nu e icoana la care ma inchin, am dat intamplator de el cand am veut sa vad si alte pareri si mi se pare pertinent si sugestiv pentru ce sustin.

    Orice ar zice orice juriu si autoritate, poezia, viziunea si cinematografia din 2001 e in opinia mea la ani lumina peste Interstellar, desi tehnic se simte diferenta de aproape 50 de ani terestri dintre anii de productie.
    "If the doors of perception were cleansed everything would appear to man as it is: infinite." William Blake

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    Quote Originally Posted by Utilizator View Post
    Peste multe chestii corecte, cea mentionata anterior mi s-a parut aberanta si fara sens.
    Altfel e trivia ca s-au straduit sa 'bage stiinta in film'.
    Kip Thorne le-a fost consultant apropiat si omul e considerat autoritate in astrofizica.
    Articolul pe care-l citam nu e icoana la care ma inchin, am dat intamplator de el cand am veut sa vad si alte pareri si mi se pare pertinent si sugestiv pentru ce sustin.

    Orice ar zice orice juriu si autoritate, poezia, viziunea si cinematografia din 2001 e in opinia mea la ani lumina peste Interstellar, desi tehnic se simte diferenta de aproape 50 de ani terestri dintre anii de productie.
    In partile in rosu iti contrazici tu insuti fraza ta: gaura neagra n-are aproape nimic stiintific. Daca mai stii tu vreun film SF care a produs un scientific paper zi si mie. Sa zici ca un scientific paper nu are aproape nimic stiintific e deplasat. Si apoi fara gaura neagra cum introduce conceptul de time dilation?

    In partea in albastru te contrazici in aceeasi fraza cum am spus citeva posturi mai sus.

    Partea in verde esti pe aceeasi lungime de unda cu mine si alti film specialisti.

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    iar te legi de amanunte scoase din context si pe care eu nu le-am spus aidoma?

    N-am spus ca treaba cu gaura neagra nu are nimic stiintific ci doar ca story-ul derulat in jurul ei devine aberant la un moment dat in dorinta de a forta concluzia dorita a filmului. Devierea brusca de la o naratiune destul de solida de dragul unui cliseu cu priza la public m-a deranjat si cu siguranta ca nu a avut girul lui Kip.
    Asta mi-a displacut, altfel gaselnita cu gaura neagra e foarte interesanta in general si in echilibrul stiintific al filmului si creed ca ar fi putut sa fie un film mare daca nu erau problemele expuse anterior.

    Altfel ma bucur ca intr-un final sunt cu ceva pe aceeasi lungime de unda cu tine si alti film specialisti
    "If the doors of perception were cleansed everything would appear to man as it is: infinite." William Blake

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    Quote Originally Posted by Utilizator View Post
    iar te legi de amanunte scoase din context si pe care eu nu le-am spus aidoma?

    N-am spus ca treaba cu gaura neagra nu are nimic stiintific
    Pai eu scot din context? Eu te-am citat pe tine:
    Quote Originally Posted by Utilizator View Post
    Din punctul meu de vedere partea cu gaura neagra e deplasata si nu are mai nimic stiintific..
    Cred ca exact aidoma ai spus. Citatele tale de mai sus se bat cap in cap.

    Cit despre gaura neagra sunt mai multe chestii acolo. Eu ma refeream la chestiile pur stiintifice ca sunt extraordinare. Poti sa incadrezi cele nesiintifice la fantastic si sunt si parti despre iubire care sunt trase de par.

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    Prietene, nu pot sa mai detaliez partea cu gaura neagra ce m-a deranjat pentru ca fac spoiler. Altfel nu m-a deranjat in general aparitia gaurii negre in film si nici modul in care a fost integrate in idea de ansamblu. Nu se bate nimic cap in cap decat daca scoti din contextual discutiei reflectate in postarile mele pe tema asta si nu consideri faptul ca nu vreau sa povestesc filmul aici. Seara buna.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Utilizator View Post
    Altfel nu m-a deranjat in general aparitia gaurii negre in film si nici modul in care a fost integrate in idea de ansamblu.
    Mda, te-ai enervat dar te enervezi degeaba. Ce tot ii dai cu contextul? Asta e tot contextul
    Quote Originally Posted by Utilizator View Post
    Din punctul meu de vedere partea cu gaura neagra e deplasata si nu are mai nimic stiintific.
    Si au mai fost chestii suparatosre dar nu vreau sa stric placerea altora ce nu au vazut filmul.
    Cu toata dmiratia pentru Nolan, mi se pare un film slab dar poleit cu multe pretentii si voit pretios.
    Cam cu vorbesc unii din auto-intitulata elita romaneasca: cu arabescuri literare infinite ce ascung goliciunea ideatica a continutului si fracventele fracturile logice.
    Nu trebuie sa povestesti tot filmul cum nici eu n-am povestit filmul in postul precedent.
    Te-ai grabit un pic sa spui ca nu-I nimic stiintific si ai gresit, asta-i. Acuma incerci in zadar sa repari, vezi primul citat. E ok. Te-am iertat.

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    Nu incerc sa repar nimic, ai linkul la articol si spun doar atat: spaghetificare. Continuarea o intuiesti probabil si de asta nu mi-a placut acea parte cu gaura neagra oricat de mare fan SF sunt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Utilizator View Post
    ai linkul la articol si spun doar atat: spaghetificare.
    Nu am vazut filmul, dar am citit articolul propus de tine, my 2 cents: doctorita aia in fizica trebuia sa spuna ca "you'll be lucky to get spaghettification" pentru ca ma gandesc ca diferenta dintre forta gravitationala rupe organismul in milioane de molecule...
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    Inca ceva, din cate stiu eu blackhole <> wormhole, asta din urma "permite" timetravel, dar trebe sa vad filmul sa inteleg ce se speculeaza acolo.
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    Sunt bine definite si distincte in film. Filmul putea fi magistral daca erau evitate influentele holywoodiene si fracturi extreme in niste puncte esentiale zic eu.
    Vezi filmul si sunt sigur ca mai vorbim.
    "If the doors of perception were cleansed everything would appear to man as it is: infinite." William Blake

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    Quote Originally Posted by Utilizator View Post
    Nu incerc sa repar nimic, ai linkul la articol si spun doar atat: spaghetificare. Continuarea o intuiesti probabil si de asta nu mi-a placut acea parte cu gaura neagra oricat de mare fan SF sunt.
    Ma gindeam eu ca la aia te refereai dar hai sa poposim aici un pic. Inca de cind am aflat de gauri negre incercam sa-mi imaginez cum ar fi sa treci prin una, INTEGRAL. Bineinteles ca inainte sa te spaghetizezi probabil vei fi rapus de radiatia la vreun milliard de cernobils. La fel trebuie sa-ti suspenzi ginditul la sfirsitul lui 2001 cind astronautul trece prin niste zone spatiale cu cel putin nivele de radiatii mortale, dar la urma urmei aici e arta nu documentar.

    Dar din punct de vedere artistic, ce rost ar fi avut sa-mi arate niste spaghete inauntru? Asa, angajind partea Fantastica a mai reusit sa ne arate/expuna niste concepte "multidimension" si a reusit sa arunce cu bolovanul in balta de asemeni.

    E clar ca filmul a avut o sansa uriasa si a ratat-o dar probabil ar fi durat vreo 3 ani de facut si nu au avut bani/timp destul cum au reusit pina la urma in Cleopatra.

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    Am muncit de cu greu de vreo 2 saptamani sa-mi fac lista si are deja peste 200 de filme!
    Am vazut mii de filme-n viata mea, si peste 10 mii daca cuantificam vizionarea multipla a aceluiasi film.

    In lista mea, multe din filmele ce au nota de 8 sau mai mica ar merita nota mai mare dar notele alea sunt date mai degraba ca si criteriu de departajare.
    Asta-i lista mea pe care o s-o mai imbunatatesc in anii ce vor urma:

    Top 15, movies 10/10 - 9.5/10:
    1. Joker 2019 10/10
    2. The Dark Knight 2008 10/10
    3. Terminator 2 - Judgement Day 1993 10/10
    4. The Shawshank Redemption 1994 9.9/10
    5. Leon 1994 9.8/10
    6. Logan 2017 9.8/10
    7. Ben-Hur 1959 9.8/10
    8. Braveheart 1995 9.7/10
    9. Dangal 2006 9.6/10
    10. Pulp Fiction 1994 9.6/10
    11. Lord of The Rings 1-3 2001... 9.6/10
    12. The Green Mile 1999 9.5/10
    13. Fight Club 1999 9.5/10
    14. Avatar 2009 9.5/10
    15. Django Unchained 2012 9.5/10

    Top 16 - 25, movies 9/10:
    16. Wall-E 2008 9/10
    17. The Elephant Man 1980 9/10
    18. The Sunset Limited 2011 9/10
    19. I Am Sam 2001 9/10
    20. Se7en 1995 9/10
    21. Forrest Gump 1994 9/10
    22. Interstellar 2014 9/10
    23. Inception 2010 9/10
    24. 12 Angry Men (both ecranizations, 1st one is slightly better) 1957, 1997 9/10
    25. Schindler's List 1993 9/10

    Top 26 - 50, movies 8.5/10:
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    26. The Legend of 1900 1998 8.5/10
    27. Fist of Legend 1994 8.5/10
    28. Tai-Chi Master 1993 8.5/10
    29. The Abyss 1989 8.5/10
    30. Avengers 1-3, Thor 1-3, Guardians of The Galaxy 1-3, Man of Steel, Aquaman, Deadpool, Wonderwoman, Ant Man, etc. (Marvel and DC stuff) 8.5/10
    31. Memento 2000 8.5/10
    32. The King's Speech 2010 8.5/10
    33. A.I. Artificial Intelligence 2001 8.5/10
    34. Up 2009 8.5/10
    35. Once Upon A Time In China 1 (Wong Fei Hung 1) 8.5/10
    36. Legend of The Red Dragon 8.5/10
    37. Falling Down 1993 8.5/10
    38. Rambo: First Blood 1982 8.5/10
    39. Soldier 1998 8.5/10
    40. Matrix 1-3 8.5/10
    41. Rocky 1-4 8.5/10
    42. Her 2013 8.5/10
    43. Goodfellas 1990 8.5/10
    44. K-Pax 2001 8.5/10
    45. 8 Mile 2002 8.5/10
    46. The Majestic 2001 8.5/10
    47. The Man in the Iron Mask 1998 8.5/10
    48. The Usual Suspects 1995 8.5/10
    49. Les Miserables 1998 8.5/10
    50. Jesus of Nazareth 1977 8.5/10


    Top 51 - 100, movies 8/10:
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    51. Equillibrium 2002 8/10
    52. Sunshine 2007 8/10
    53. It 1-2 2017, 2019 8/10
    54. Man of La Mancha 1972 8/10
    55. Gandhi 1982 8/10
    56. Searching 2018 8/10
    57. The Pursuit of Happyness 2006 8/10
    58. A Few Good Men 1992 8/10
    59. Batman Begins + The Dark Knight Returns 2005... 8/10
    60. War of The Worlds 2005 8/10
    61. Minority Report 2002 8/10
    62. Edge of Tomorrow 2014 8/10
    63. The Prestige 2006 8/10
    64. Alexander 2004 8/10
    65. X-Men 1-3 (and the other variations) 8/10
    66. Armageddon 1998 8/10
    67. The Insider 1999 8/10
    68. A Beautiful Mind 2001 8/10
    69. Oblivion 2013 8/10
    70. War World Z 2013 8/10
    71. Rurouni Kenshin 1-4 2012... 8/10
    72. Meet Joe Black 1998 8/10
    73. Seven Years in Tibet 1997 8/10
    74. Pay it Forward 2000 8/10
    75. John Q 2002 8/10
    76. Seven Pounds 2008 8/10
    77. Man from Earth 2007 8/10
    78. Inherit The Wind (both ecranizations) 1960, 1999 8/10
    79. The Machinist 2004 8/10
    80. Shaolin Soccer 2001 8/10
    81. Alien(s) 1-5 1979... 8/10
    82. Full Metal Jacket 1987 8/10
    83. Gladiator 2000 8/10
    84. Pan's Labyrinth 2006 8/10
    85. Liar Liar 8/10
    86. Ghost 1990 8/10
    87. Monster 2003 8/10
    88. Groundhog Day 8/10
    89. The Devil's Advocate 1997 8/10
    90. Groundhog Day 1993 8/10
    91. Contact 1997 8/10
    92. Event Horizon 1997 8/10
    93. Close Encounters of the Third Kind 1977 8/10
    94. Rain Man 1988 8/10
    95. Philadelphia 1993 8/10
    96. The Last of the Mohicans 1992 8/10
    97. Total Recall 1990 8/10
    98. What's Eating Gilbert Grape 1993 8/10
    99. Barton Fink 1991 8/10
    100. Lost in Translation 2003 8/10


    Top 101 - 220, movies 7.5/10:
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    101. Titanic 1997 7.5/10
    102. Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind 2004 7.5/10
    103. Pitch Black, Riddick 2000... 7.5/10
    104. Gravity 2013 7.5/10
    105. The Hateful Eight 2015 7.5/10
    106. The 13th Worrior 1999 7.5/10
    107. Brawl in Cell Block 99 2017 7.5/10
    108. Deep Impact 1999 8/10
    109. Split 2016 7.5/10
    110. The Invention of Lying 2009 7.5/10
    111. Starship Troopers 1997 7.5/10
    112. The Wolf of Wall Street 2013 7.5/10
    113. Wall Street 1987 7.5/10
    114. Star Wars 1-6 1977... 8/10
    115. True Lies 1994 7.5/10
    116. Bruce Almighty 7.5/10
    117. The Fifth Element 1995 8/10
    118. Benny & Joon 1993 7.5/10
    119. 12 Years a Slave 2013 7.5/10
    120. Star Trek Into Darkness 2013 7.5/10
    121. Rob Roy 1995 7.5/10
    122. Standoff 2016 7.5/10
    123. Dumb and Dumber 1994 7.5/10
    124. The Patriot 2000 7.5/10/10
    125. Quiz Show 1994 7.5/10
    126. In Time 2011 7.5/10
    127. Darkest Hour 2017 7.5/10
    128. The Dark Horse 2014 7.5/10
    129. The Godfather 1-2 1972, 1974 7.5/10
    130. Venom 2018 7.5/10
    131. Spawn 1997 7.5/10
    132. Christmass Vacation 1989 7.5/10
    133. Step Brothers 7.5/10
    134. Happy Gilmore 1996 7.5/10
    135. To Kill a Mockingbird 1962 7.5/10
    136. Terminator 1, 3, 4, 5... 7.5/10
    137. Con Air 1997 7.5/10
    138. Knowing 2009 7.5/10
    139. Mission Impossible 1-5 1996... 7.5/10
    140. Home Alone 1990 1-2 7.5/10
    141. Mortal Kombat 1-2 1995, 1997 7.5/10
    142. Red Planet 2000 7.5/10
    143. The Lobster 2015 7.5/10
    144. Phenomenon 1996 7.5/10
    145. What Women Want 2000
    146. Spies Like Us 1985 7.5/10
    147. Gun Shy 7.5/10
    148. Gods of Egypt 2016 7.5/10
    149. Quills 2000 7.5/10
    150. Suicide Squad 2016 7.5/10
    151. The Number 23 2007 7.5/10
    152. Yes Man 2008 7.5/10
    153. Me, Myself & Irene 2000 7.5/10
    154. The Wolf of Wall Street 7.5/10
    155. The Professor and the Madman 2019 7.5/10
    156. Superman 1-4 1978... 7.5/10
    157. Red Planet 2000 7.5/10
    158. The Last House on The Left 2009 7.5/10
    159. My Boss's Daughter 2003 7.5/10
    160. Scarry Movie 1-5 2000... 7.5/10
    161. American Pie 1999... 7.5/10
    162. Kung Fu Hustle 2004 7.5/10
    163. Kung Pow: Enter the Fist 2002 7.5/10
    164. Amistad 1997 7.5/10
    165. Taken 2008... 1-3 7.5/10
    166. La revolution Francaise 1989 7.5/10
    167. Signs 2002 7.5/10
    168. Lethal Weapon 1-4 1987... 7.5/10
    169. Zootropolis 2016 7.5/10
    170. Shrek 1-3 2001... 7.5/10
    171. Moana 2016 7.5/10
    172. Solo 1996 7.5/10
    173. Surrogates 2009 7.5/10
    174. Finding Nemo, Finding Dory 2003, 2016 7.5/10
    175. 50 First Dates 2004 7.5/10
    176. One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest 1975 7.5/10
    177. The Shining 1980 7.5/10
    178. Harry Potter 1-7 2001... 7.5/10
    179. Prisoners 2013 7.5/10
    180. Rambo 2-6 1985... 7.5/10
    181. Last Action Hero
    182. The Human Centipede 1-3 2009... 7.5/10
    183. All Quiet On The Western Front 1930 7.5/10
    184. Brimstone 2016 7.5/10
    185. The Aviator 2004 7.5/10
    186. Gangs of New York 2002 7.5/10
    187. The Mummy 1-3 1999... 7.5/10
    188. Bedazzled 2000 7.5/10
    189. Dogday Afternoon 7.5/10
    190. Scarface 1983 7.5/10
    191. 2012 2009 7.5/10
    192. The Day After Tomorrow 2004 7.5/10
    193. San Andreas 2015 7.5/10
    194. Rampage 2018 7.5/10
    195. The Pianist 2002 7.5/10
    196. Ghostbusters 1-3 1984... 7.5/10
    197. Ghost in The Shell 2017 7.5/10
    198. Desperate Measures 1998 7.5/10
    199. Hoodlum 7.5/10
    200. Beetlejuice 1988 7.5/10
    201. Multiplicity 1996 7.5/10
    202. X-Men Origins: Wolverine 2009, The Wolverine 2013 7.5/10
    203. Fallen 1998 7.5/10
    204. The Equalizer 1-2 2014... 7.5/10
    205. The Bone Collector
    206. Virtuosity 1995 7.5/10
    207. Casino 1995 7.5/10
    208. Judge Dredd, Dredd 1995, 2012 7.5/10
    209. Demolation Man 1993 7.5/10
    210. The Ten Commandments 1956 7.5/10
    211. I Robot 2004 7.5/10
    212. Parasite 2019 7.5/10
    213. Independence Day 1-2 1996 7.5/10
    214. Men in Black 1997 7.5/10
    215. Enemy of the State 1998 7.5/10
    216. Hancock 2008 7.5/10
    217. The Book of Eli 2010 7.5/10
    218. I Am Legend 2005 7.5/10
    219. After Earth 2013 7.5/10
    220. Hitch 2005 7.5/10
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