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    The Romanian results (thanks Mona):

    VT
    Larisa: 13.875/13.875
    Diana R: 13.575/13.225
    Betty: 13.625/13.125
    Didi: 13.250/13.525

    UB
    Didi 13.650 (E:8.250 D:5.4)
    Larisa 13.275 (E:7.675 D:5.6)
    Mada 12.650 (E:7.750 D:4.9)
    Diana R 9.925 (E:5.925 D:4)

    BB
    Mada 13.950 (E:8.350 D 5.6)
    Larisa 13.625 (E: 7.625 D 6.0)
    Didi 13.200 (E:7.500 D 5.7)
    Diana 13.150 (D:5.2 E:7.950)
    Betty 12.850 (E:8.150 D:4.7)

    FX
    Didi 14.425 (E:8.925 D:5.5)
    Larisa 14.775 (E:8.775 D:6.0)
    Betty 14.075 (E:8.375 D:5.7)
    Diana R 13.600 (E:8.5 D:5.1)



    Maybe I am not completely up to date, but except for BB I didn't expect much more...unfortunately that's our level on UB and VT at the moment. While with one weak event we could live (and even win), with two weak ones there is virtually no chance.
    I think that the girls did their best and I applaud the way they performed on FX after the falls on the BB. I personally think that they will qualify in the BB final...but we'll see.
    For the rest, I think we still have a pretty good chance at silver on TF (more than silver would have been anyhow difficult) and a chance to medal on the AA, although I agree that 55p is a bit too low.

    We'll live and see...can't wait to "see" the Russians
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    Here are my 2 cents, for what it is worth. To start with the positive: They must have rocked on floor! Diana B.'s D-score is a bit low, maybe some leaps were not counted? But a double layout and a full-in in the 3rd run is good! Both Larisa and Diana must be in floor final. It is a pitty they counted both a fall on beam. Larisa probably has a chance to reache the final, hope she can do better then. And Madalina keeps surprising. That 13.950 is a pretty good score after being injured for such a long time. I am happy Beatrice scored above 14 on floor. That is a good prospect. If she can add a twist on vault next year, she can be a VT/FX specialist.

    Actually I am pretty pleased with the UB scores of Larisa and Diana B. If you look at the scores of the recent meets, they were mostly in de 12, so they at leat delivered at the moment it counted. This is just the best they can do at the moment.

    I am sure these championships are a good experience for them, especially for Beatrice, Diana R and Madalina, as they have not competed as much as the other 2 yet. Diana B and Larisa can only do better in AA finals (on beam) and I hope they can reach some other EF's than floor.

    I only wonder what's up with Maria Balea and GG?

    If I counted well Italy received 161.450, so stayed far away from Romania. Italy only scored higher than Romania at bars, but only 0.175 more. The other differences were in favour of Romania: beam: 0.500, floor: 2.325 and vault: 0.600
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    standings per apparatus after 3rd sub division, (no vault) and only 2 per country
    . Diana is still on top on bars!
    UB

    Diana Bulimar ROM 13.650
    Erika Fasana ITA 13.400
    Giulia Leni ITA 13.375
    Larisa Iordache ROM 13.275
    Elisavet Tsakou GRE 13.200
    Rebecca Tunney GBR 12.850
    Maria Paula Vargas ESP 12.775
    Tessa Gerrits NED 12.750



    BB

    Tess Moonen NED 14.175
    Carlotta Ferlito ITA 14.050
    Madalina Neagu ROM 13.950
    Larisa Iordache ROM 13.625
    Leilah Mackenzie GBR 13.500
    Kristina Sankova UKR 13.450
    Erika Fasana ITA 13.400
    Frances Jacobs BEL 13.150




    FX
    Larisa Iordache ROM 14.775
    Diana Bulimar ROM 14.425
    Erika Fasana ITA 13.900
    Lisa Top NED 13.800
    Kristina Sankova UKR 13.750
    Francesca De Agostini ITA 13.550
    Ruby Harrold GBR 13.500
    Daryna Liubytska UKR 13.225

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sri Ea View Post
    I'm quite frightened it's not all gymnastics only the 2 last programs. Pretty stupid from them not to mention the sport, isn't it?
    The only Raisport page that always mentions the sport is this one but they never put the programs in advance:
    http://www2.raisport.rai.it/news/tv.htm
    (BTW at the moment,they still have yesterday's program )

    @ Serena : I know there was a way to watch Raisport online a few years ago but I don't know if it is not possible now.

    Unfortunately I fear the same thing..... But well, at least they show something!!
    Eurosport will have some coverage too - but also delayed. From what I saw they have something up in their shedule for Sunday, Monday and Tuesday morning - Monday and Tuesday might even be repetitions.....

    I agree it is really stupid from them to not mention the sport at all on that website.....how should people know what it is?!?
    That is the good thing about the video text site definitely though it is kind of complicated to only be able and see things one day in beforehand or even only on the same day if at all....But thanks a lot for that link anyway Sri Ea cause I had lost it somehow....

    Sadly I also have no knowledge about where to watch Rai Sport online - I am sorry.

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    A silver medal for the girls! Russia was miles ahead, but Romania had over 3 point more than number 3 Italy, so also a big gap.

    And at least event finals for Diana B (bars, floor), Larisa (beam, floor) and Madalina (beam). And maybe one or two in vault. Congratulations to the team!

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    Congrats to the girls for their deserved silver medal, I have to say that I was nervous almost until the very end!
    I'm really happy for them because in front of those AMAZING Russian Juniors, they stood simply no chance of ranking better ( I'm still somehow frustrated though as I had wished the score difference could have been smaller with less mistakes on BB and deep down I think I'm also fulminating at the huge widening gap on VT and UB, well especially on UB... I think I sound like a broken record as I have been repeating the same thing for the past 10 years.)
    But they'll certainly enjoy their medals tonight, they did much better than the beautiful team of 2008.
    In the end, do we know for sure if Diana could reach UB Final and if Larissa could reach BB?

    A little sad thought though for the past great nations of gymnastics that are slowly disappearing : Ukraine, Belarus, Bulgaria. A sad thought also for little Andrea Foti, the best italian AAer who couldn't compete and help her team due to an injury.... I wish her much health and better days will come...

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    Yes, Diana is in bars final, Larisa in beam and Larisa and Diana R in vault. So 7 out of the possible 8 finals (with Larisa being first reserve on bars). But I do agree, they have a lot of work to do to catch up with the Russian. I actually do not think it is possible. The Russians are a planet away.

    Personally I am very happy for Tess Moonen (bb-final) and Lisa Top (floor final). I am very very sad about Ukraine. With Romania that is my favorite team and it is so sad to see them slipping through the ranks. Every 2 years it is worse. I will love them always, Ukraine is my sentimental favorite since Lilia won in Atlanta (one of my first gymnastics memories) but it will be painful I'm afraid.

    About vault: Beatrice Margarit and Diana Bulimar are still in front of the number 8th qualified for the final, so it is not that bad.
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    I am very proud of our girls for their silver medal win.
    We all knew it was going to be VERY hard to pass Russia on VT and UB but what surprises today. First the coaches made the wise decision to use Diana Rusu instead of Maria Balea and now we are looking at Diana Rusu in Vault finals - this is a good thing. Second, the coaches decide to use Beatrice Margarit in place of Ana Maria Baicu and even though Beatrice didn't make a final, she scored a great score on vault (could have made finals had the 2 per country rule not be in place) and a great result on floor (14.075).

    I understand the frustrations from Sri Ea and others in terms of UB and VT and although things may be frustrating it's not all downhill for Romania unlike Belarus and Ukraine (where they are heading). Let's take a peek at the Junior teams from 2004 onwards and see what progress this team has made on UB. I'm proud of the result - I wanted a Gold medal for girls and amazing UB routines but needless there are some good signs ahead, especially on UB. I found the total scores on each apparatus and the ones we are all concerned on - VT and UB,I compared the total from past teams to todays girls. Look at the progress on UB and also the progress from last Junior Euros (08) on VT. The totals are after the Junior team final and the ranking for Romania on the apparatus. Look at our progress on Vt and UB (especially UB).

    Juniors 2004

    2nd Team
    Vault - 2nd
    UB - 7th

    Juniors 2006

    2nd Team
    Vault - 1st
    UB - 6th

    Juniors 2008

    4th Team (they didn't even make podium)
    Vault - 5th
    UB - 8th

    Juniors 2010
    2nd Team
    Vault - 3rd (a big step from last Euros)
    UB - 4th ****** BIG PROGRESS from 2004 Junior scores**

    We don't have superior fancy UB routines like Russia but Iordache is upgrading faster than anyone these days - her D score on UB was 5.6, thats not too bad. I think the Romanian Junior coaches are a little more smarter than their senior counterparts - it seems that a friend who was watching this competition observed coaches from Romania taking notes while Russians were performing . Lets hope the notes are going to be useful in the future and that they can learn something from the Russians on UB and VT.
    I would like for the coaches to recognize that Diana Rusu and Beatrice Margarit are 2 gymnasts that could play a major part in gymnastics so I hope the coaches make it a priority to work with these 2 gymnasts to upgrade their vault. We need another good UB worker - that is indeed a fact - Neagu perhaps? Andrea Tufa?? Rusu?? Margarit?? Let's see who they choose to work on UB.

    Don't be frustrated, don't say we will NEVER beat Russia, don't say we are not good enough to catch up to Russia on VT and UB, never underestimate Romania. I'm not even Romanian and I believe with my heart that this is a step uphill for Romania starting with this team and the Junior coaching staff who seem to make better decisions than the Senior coaching staff.. Forminte - are you listening to this???

    Good night friends, it's been a long day where I was on computer all day with 2 friends from IG watching this competition. I got NO WORK DONE today (ughh) but my nails are all gone from biting them. Tomorrow - the same thing again with Seniors (ha ha).
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    Qualifications seniors WAG

    Romania will perform starting 3.15pm GMT, in the third Subdivision.
    Russia 2 hs earlier, in the second.

    subdivisions:
    http://www.longinestiming.com/sports...%20General.pdf
    working order:
    http://www.longinestiming.com/sports...ncours%20I.pdf

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    I am a bit surprized that the Romanians are not considering Cerasela for UB. They have brilliant UB workers on this team: Amelia Racea, Raluca Haidu, Cerasela Patrascu and Ana Porgras (if capable). This is going to be a very loooooong Europeans and I am so afraid that we will have terrible results.
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    I hope that Raluca will be going for the FTY today after her rough podium training. As long as she doesn't aim for VT finals, the DTY is not needed to qualify the team. Plus she's a 4 events gymnast so they should spare her some pressure for her 1st big senior showing.

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    I hope they qualify for the EFs (especially FX and BB, and Diana C at VT).

    For the rest they don't need to stress too much, the team will qualify anyhow. (ok, providing they do all their routines)

    Fopr me it's also amazing what low marks the Russians get. Did we expect this? Ok, I knew they weren't as good as the juniors, but still...

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    Well it is 3 up 3 count so the mistakes of Kurbatova on bars cost them a lot. She had a 11. something. But it is only qualifications, they have a second chance in teamfinal. Some of the juniors also messed up, but 2 scores were scratches. And Mustafina did really well. I really wonder how the Romanians will do. Good luck to them, they are almost going to start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ioanavol View Post
    Fopr me it's also amazing what low marks the Russians get. Did we expect this? Ok, I knew they weren't as good as the juniors, but still...
    With the format 5-3-3, anything can happen (this format is really ridiculous for qualifications as he doesn't give the members of a team the same chance).
    Plus the judges were specificlly told today to be very strict in their notation and I guess they applied the order (particularly on VT).

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    Bad start for Romania !! Only Ana Porgras and Diana Chelaru have no big mistakes. I hope Forminte change the Team for the Team Finale. In my opinion Haidu on ub out and Patrascu in. And Gbr in very close to Romania. I hope she have in the Team Finale not so big mistakes. What is wrong with the girls ? Last year racea was the next Star in the Romanian Team and now ??!!? :-( I was hoping the bad time is over... :-(

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    Very mixed feelings too. I was so happy after the beam rotation (especially if both Ana and Raluca qualify as they are my 2 favorite BB workers on the team -with Voicu... and Cerasela if she could get a real dismount-) but got a real shock on FX (except for Diana who did her job). Vault scores were expected and for UB well let's say that I was relieved that all of them stayed on the apparatus at least even with mistakes.
    Coaches played it smart with Raluca downgrading her routines and VT as she's frankly not in a good shape. Now for me it is not that much a surprise as she has always been somehow a delicious headcase and relying upon her for 4 events is taking a big risk. She'll learn with time I hope, she has already made a lot of progress in general this year with consistency.
    Smart also to downgrade Chelaru's FX when she only needed to ensure a qualification.

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    What a great day, Romania qualifying second for team finals, Russia showing everyone that they are HUMAN and not SUPERHEROS with mistakes.

    What is with the decision to put haidu on ub over Cerasela?? come on forminite - why don't you go sightseeing in London and let the Junior coaching staff take over for the day -I'm sure they will use thinking cap much smarter and make better decisions.

    Haidu - great job on BB but elsewhere - grrrrrrrr. I agree with Sri Ea - she has a headcase gymnast who either hits it big or misses it big. I noticed the first 2 rotations she was delightful but then later in rotations 3,4 she lost it.

    Racea - ahhhhh Amelia, I am happy she did as best as she could because only 2 weeks ago she was tired and looked very weak. She performed a good job on vault and on UB. It's a shame her BB has been watered down, I liked her free cartwheel to back tuck element and wish the coaches wouldn't have taken that out. I don't like her fx - it is icky and that music does NOT SUIT HER.

    Porgras - what a trooper - injured and all she hit when it counted and first highest qualifyer on BB - take that Mustafina!!!

    Chelaru great on vault - she will make finals right?

    I didn't realize this was a qualifying meet so there is more chances for better performance from girls in finals. Forminte please make Cerasela part of this finals - it could be that he was resting her and intends to use her in finals.

    http://www.longinestiming.com/sports...ncours%20I.pdf

    Results after Subdivision 3. Note that we are ranked 2nd on vault, 4th on UB after Russia (heh heh) and 1st top ranked on BB. Looks good to me.... I'm giggling over Russia being ranked 3rd highest on UB after GBR and FR.

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    Well I don't know why Forminte should let the Junior staff take the decisions instead of him.

    So far until today they haven't brought better gymnastics or better results and their gymnasts are equally inconsistent on the different events especially BB and FX (although the Seniors must have a slight advantage for consistency in general). Their huge weakness is equally on UB (although I'd rather watch any day the Senior routines even with mistakes rather than the hit Junior routines with their bad -sorry- lines.) The same goes for VT (the only gymnast with beautiful form, Diana Rusu, is a Deva Junior BTW).
    I'm not at all criticizing the junior coaching (and I love Lacramioara as a coach and also because I loved her as a gymnast), I just don't think that they have proved to be better than their senior counterparts. They have 2 gems in Larisa and Diana but until now for me they are still rough diamonds waiting to be polished...

    For the decision of letting Haidu compete on UB today well I wouldn't have used Cerasela either in Qualies, her D score is just too weak (and though I looooove Cerasela to death, I still don't consider her a reliable and consistent gymnast until further notice). Raluca in the different meets before Euros had showed that she had gained confidence. It's only since the beginning of Euros that she's melting down like she did the years before.
    I still don't know if I would use Cerasela in TF. If I did it it would be only for sentimental reasons, for her to share a part of the competition and to boost her confidence. Otherwise, I would better use Raluca or Diana on UB including the risks. I think Cerasela's time hasn't come up yet. Hopefully her real comeback will take place at Worlds.

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    Regarding the TV coverage on Rai Sport it looks like times are changing!!!

    I now see this:

    Saturday:
    18:00 Campionati europei femminile (1,5 hours)

    Sunday:
    23:45 Campionato europeo femminile (about 1 hour and 45 minutes)

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    Thanks, Martina Do you know if it can be watched online?

    @SriEa: I tend to agree with you...
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    Thanks a lot Martina!Hmmm... 1.30 for TF only, it'll mean that they will not present 1 rotation out of 4 I guess... Still better than nothing!

    Many thanks to this user : mishmash151 who has uploaded many vids from yesterday's competition among them quite a lot of romanian vids...
    First bars : I have to say that I'm very impressed by the way Haidu and Porgras kipcast to handstand without straddling their legs. For the rest well, Raluca's mistake after her Geinger cost her a lot, I hope she can fix it for saturday. Ana also can fix her mistake and try to be not so low on the dismount.
    Amelia was okay but very slow, she was soooo late in her combination, it's a miracle she could pull the Jaeger without falling. Great that she could stand up her dismount though after her issues in PT.
    On beam, I'm dying to see Raluca's! I see the other girls played it safer with more secure routines and I'm curious if she did the same. Ana masterd all her elements but I'm not fan of this particular set, I much prefer the combo aerial-sheep jump and then the combo with the layout to 2 feet, much more impressive than the loso. Well actually I much prefer her last year's routine at nationals... but for the moment I'll stick to what I have seen from her this year.
    Amelia left out her free cartwheel back tuck combo (too bad, it is also the highlight of her routine), maybe after PT, she was not feeling safe with it. Her biggest mistake though is the big break after her front aerial for which she lost a precious connection. Strange that she opted for the double pike dismount when she has never performed it consistently (and this time it was a close save!) and was more comfortable with the double back.
    For FX, what a pity for Raluca's sole mistake. It cost her a fall and the whole value of the 2 saltos combo... She would have so easily reached the EF ! She lost the good timing for the salto (it has to be the nerves I guess), what a curious mistake especially after her excellent performances at Rom Internationals. Also I noticed that at Rom Internationals,she was performing her triple - underrotated- in the 3rd line which is very late at the moment a lot of gymnasts begin to be tired and lose their concentration. I wonder if they could put back the triple as 1st pass (a little bit like last year, she even had the whip to triple like Diana) to ensure it is fully rotated and then the full in and then 2.5 to punch front (would she have the fuel for it??? or maybe they'd rather go with 1.5 to punch front) and then the double pike.
    Amelia on FX, well, she did well,to my eyes the triple was fully rotated at least enough not to be downgraded. She can't do much better except for the oob and try to stick some passes not to receive too many landing deductions.
    I'm dying to see Diana's routine too although what I amreally curious for his her full difficulty packed set.

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