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    Biatlon: discutii, stiri,etc.

    Aici putem posta stiri din lumea biatlonului, si putem discuta pe seama lor

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    Cand se va anunta calendarul pe sezonul 2008-2009?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ionutdanci View Post
    Cand se va anunta calendarul pe sezonul 2008-2009?
    In august-septembrie. cel putin asa s-a anuntat pana acum

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    Au scos Osrblie si au adaugat douea etape in America de Nord. Un program foarte greu, fiindca nu numai ca este o etapa in plus dar biatlonistii vor fi plimbati din Europa in America de Nord, din America de Nord in Asia, din Asia in Siberia si din Siberia in Europa
    La anul acea regula cu eliminarea unor rezultate va fi folosita din plin

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob_din View Post
    Au scos Osrblie si au adaugat douea etape in America de Nord. Un program foarte greu, fiindca nu numai ca este o etapa in plus dar biatlonistii vor fi plimbati din Europa in America de Nord, din America de Nord in Asia, din Asia in Siberia si din Siberia in EuropaLa anul acea regula cu eliminarea unor rezultate va fi folosita din plin
    Si ce daca, lasa sa-i plimbe, ca doar nu merg pe jos, ci cu avionul, ajung imediat E bine sa mai bage si astfel de etape, nu trebuie doar in Europa ca pana acum, se mai adapteaza si IBU la vremurile moderne in care traim, incearca sa faca competitia mai atractiva Nu uita ca la inceputul anului au aproape 1 luna de pauza, e timp destul sa se odihneasca. Mare lucru o etapa in plus! Cum n-a zis nimeni nimic cand s-a trecut brusc de la 6 la 8 etape, nici acum n-o sa zica nimic - cel mai probabil se va prelungi sezonul cu inca o saptamana in martie (daca le va da tot 3 saptamani de pauza in decembrie-ianuarie ca pana acum).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ducus View Post
    Si ce daca, lasa sa-i plimbe, ca doar nu merg pe jos, ci cu avionul, ajung imediat E bine sa mai bage si astfel de etape, nu trebuie doar in Europa ca pana acum, se mai adapteaza si IBU la vremurile moderne in care traim, incearca sa faca competitia mai atractiva Nu uita ca la inceputul anului au aproape 1 luna de pauza, e timp destul sa se odihneasca. Mare lucru o etapa in plus! Cum n-a zis nimeni nimic cand s-a trecut brusc de la 6 la 8 etape, nici acum n-o sa zica nimic - cel mai probabil se va prelungi sezonul cu inca o saptamana in martie (daca le va da tot 3 saptamani de pauza in decembrie-ianuarie ca pana acum).
    Ba eu zic ca IBU exagereaza cu 10 etape, iar asta nu inseamna mai mult probleme de dopaj.
    In plus nu stiu ce ti se pare tie simplu sa te plimbi de colo-colo. Numai schimbarea fusului orar e deja o mare problema

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob_din View Post
    Ba eu zic ca IBU exagereaza cu 10 etape, iar asta nu inseamna mai mult probleme de dopaj.
    In plus nu stiu ce ti se pare tie simplu sa te plimbi de colo-colo. Numai schimbarea fusului orar e deja o mare problema
    Da, si cand o sa concureze la Vancouver peste 2 ani n-o sa fie o problema fusul orar? Sau pentru cei de la Beijing din acest an? Asta e, sa se adapteze si ei cateva zile pe an! Dar cei de la schiul alpin cum s-au adaptat la etapele din America si Canada la inceputul sezonului?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ducus View Post
    Da, si cand o sa concureze la Vancouver peste 2 ani n-o sa fie o problema fusul orar? Sau pentru cei de la Beijing din acest an? Asta e, sa se adapteze si ei cateva zile pe an! Dar cei de la schiul alpin cum s-au adaptat la etapele din America si Canada la inceputul sezonului?
    Te anunt ca la JO de la Vancouver si Beijing sportivii se vor duce cu 2-3 saptamani inainte pentru a se adapta. Aici vor ajunge cu 2-3 zile inainte de concurs

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    Quote Originally Posted by ducus View Post
    - cel mai probabil se va prelungi sezonul cu inca o saptamana in martie (daca le va da tot 3 saptamani de pauza in decembrie-ianuarie ca pana acum).
    Cred ca se sezonul se va prelungi cu o saptamana deoarece si in celelalte sporturi de iarna sezonul viitor se va prelungi cu o saptamana.

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    C-am pustiu pe aici

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    Quote Originally Posted by ionutdanci View Post
    C-am pustiu pe aici
    S-a facut cald afara

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    rob din are dreptate cu schimbatul fusului orar. Este extrem de obositor si derutant si cei care au calatorit peste ocean stiu bine cat de greu iti este in primele 2-3 zile.Foarte multa plimbare europa-asia-europa-america
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    Eva Tofalvi a castigat sprintul si pursuitul la Balcaniada de biatlon de la Harghita Bai.

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    Ma bucur pentru ea. Asteptam vesti si de la celelalte fete si baieti.

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    Disturbing Signals Indeed


    The International Biathlon Unions’s answer to an article of Claus Dieterle in Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, 17 March 2008

    As the chairman of the Medical Committee for the International Biathlon Union and their Vice President for Medical Issues, I am tasked with dealing with their day-to-day medical and anti-doping issues. I also have a fundamental right to defend athletes and our member federations from slanderous accusations when doping does not exist. This is another battle front which we must face and it often seems lately to be with misinformed and uneducated press publications. This latter point is, in my opinion, the true disturbing signal we in sport now face.
    I am compelled to write this letter after reading the misinformed article by Mr Claus Dieterle entitled “Verstörende Signale”on March 17. Of course I would have preferred that Mr. Dieterle contact me prior to writing his article so as to ensure that he had accurate background information on the case. Unfortunately this was not the situation, nor was he apparently present when I held the press conference for some 20 – 30 journalists in Oslo on March 16, all of whom seemed satisfied with my explanation of the case and as to how our decision was taken.
    Do we in the IBU have a doping problem or are we plagued by irresponsible journalism? Mr. Dieterle, who is the pitiful source of your article’s information? Let him or her show their name and face and be accountable. Let them stand face to face with me and discuss the issue in front of any press audience and then let the facts speak for themselves. As I am sure they will remain hidden to protect the source of their false speak, I will take the initiative and explain the facts of our case to which you have erroneously alluded.
    The facts of this case are as follows, the name of the athlete and the federation are not important. The facts of the case determine the outcome, as they should, regardless of whom the athlete is or from which country they come. Would your opinion of the case change if the athlete was from Germany?

    1) The athlete had a positive A sample for Dexamethasone, a potentially banned substance according to WADA class 9. This substance is potentially banned only in competition and in very few forms, most all of which have detrimental effects on athletic performance. I have included below (end of point 1) the WADA banned list for glucocorticosteroids (of which dexamethasone is included). Since this substance was not declared on the athletes form at the time of the sample analysis, we routinely opened an investigation into the case and contacted the athlete and their federation to ask why and how the medication was used and if , in fact, a declaration was even necessary. While awaiting the response from the athlete and their federation, there was an internal report within the athletes’ federation to the local media about a possible doping case. From this point, the story magnified itself well beyond the simple truth of a problem that really did not exist. I must be clear in stating that the IBU did not release the A sample result to the media. Only after a positive B sample analysis and confirmation that a doping offense has occurred will we officially comment on a case. We respect the privacy of the athlete and the federation.
    The response from our inquiry to the athlete and their federation was that the substance was in the form of an eye drop (ophthalmic solution). This was confirmed with supporting medical documents. In this formulation (opthalmic), the athlete is neither required to declare the medication on the anti-doping test form nor to obtain prior permission for its use. As the ophthalmic dexamethasone is not banned under WADA code (as explained above) there was no need to open the B sample as there is no adverse finding and therefore no need for further investigation. There are hundreds, if not thousands of cases each year amongst all sport federations where similar cases never come to public light as they are dismissed as we have done here. The only difference is that this case was leaked and discussed in the general media without knowledgeable information of the actual case. There is no credible sports federation, nor does WADA make public names of athletes from positive A samples that are subsequently dismissed for cases similar to this one. There is no intrigue or scandal. The IBU has nothing to hide. We will likewise not create public controversy or embarrass athletes and their federations over cases that have no merit.

    Contrary to what Mr Dieterle asserts in his article, it seems that it is he who has no idea about what an athlete’s obligations are with respect to reporting dexamethasone. In fact Mr Dieterle stated (unknown source) in his article that this medication is banned only in intravenous form yet he also asserts that the athlete took the medication in a pill form. If these assumptions were correct (and they are both incorrect) then wouldn’t the athlete in fact be not guilty? Clearly the answer would be yes, based on Mr Dieterle’s “facts”. Do you now wonder, Mr Dieterle why the lay public is so confused about anti-doping matters. I hope that this highlights my assertion that published information should be verified and cross checked with professionals before publishing

    Mr Dieterle gives the impression that the athlete in question has been set free after committing a doping offense and that we have simply turned the other way. Mr Dieterle, please point out to me and your readers any athlete from any sport, anywhere, at any time, who has been sanctioned for this ophthalmic medication? I think we will wait a long time for this answer as the answer is not a single one, ever !!!!

    S9. GLUCOCORTICOSTEROIDS
    All glucocorticosteroids are prohibited when administered orally, rectally, intravenously or intramuscularly. Their use requires a Therapeutic Use Exemption approval.
    Other routes of administration (intraarticular /periarticular/ peritendinous/ epidural/ intradermal injections and inhalation) require an Abbreviated Therapeutic Use Exemption except as noted below.
    Topical preparations when used for dermatological (including iontophoresis/phonophoresis), auricular, nasal, ophthalmic, buccal, gingival and perianal disorders are not prohibited and do not require any form of Therapeutic Use Exemption.

    2) Contrary to Mr Dieterles’ assertion that Dexamethasone is banned only in intravenous form only, it actually is also potentially banned in pill form, and when used rectally (for hemorrhoids and similar problems) and intramuscularly. I say potentially as it would be permitted for use in almost all these forms if there were sufficient medical cause. It is used most often to treat asthma, severe allergic and inflammatory conditions. In fact, in moderate to high dose, it actually increases the risk of muscle and tendon injury as well as increasing the risk for infection. You must also be aware that this class of medication is not performance enhancing in Biathlon. The only potential benefit is that it may make an athlete feel better when injured by masking the symptoms of an injury or illness (not a good reason for taking a medication). Thus, for virtually all athletes, the risks of using this medication in most of its potentially banned forms (oral, intravenous and intramuscular) outweigh the potential benefits. Finally, the conditions for which the medication is used would likely themselves exclude an athlete from competition (life threatening asthmatic or allergic reaction, etc). Therefore the IBU has strictly followed the WADA code. To sanction an athlete for an offense they did not commit would not only be a violation of the WADA code but a violation of her basic rights as a human. For these reasons (and others) many of the professionals involved in anti-doping work have called for the removal of this class of medication from the banned list.

    3) Mr Dieterle’s allegations that the IBU president, Mr Besseberg, does not support anti-doping is ridiculous. As a member of the WADA executive board, Mr Besseberg is a leader in the worldwide fight against doping. He has always supported the anti-doping programs of the IBU and the IBU congress has granted me autonomy over the IBU anti-doping program. Mr Bessberg has always maintained a transparency of the IBU when it comes to Anti-doping matters. Finally, the decision to not proceed in this case was mine, not Mr Besseberg’s. Mr Besseberg has the leadership wisdom to trust the advice of medical experts in such cases and as Mr Dieterle should learn, takes all decisions of this complicated matter, especially for published material, under the advisement of competent experts in the field.

    4) Mr Dieterle asserts that Biathlon has a significant doping problem as a result of some positive cases in the past few years. The IBU is a respectable sport with relatively few doping cases. We have had a handful of minor doping cases in the past three years vs almost none before. Is this indicative of a problem or just an effective testing program now weeding out a few doping stragglers with minor violations? I propose that it is the latter. Conversely, are those sports with no apparent recent doping cases clean or are the testing programs not effective? There is no sport in the world without doping issues and biathlon is no exception. We vigorously fight doping in our sport and I personally am a proponent of a lifetime ban for verified doping offenses.

    5) If you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem. The anti-doping fight is quite complex. There is much to understand and a great deal to misinterpret, especially with those not well educated or versed in the intricacies of the anti-doping fight. This is why it is important for any news agency or official reporting publicly to include the opinions of a respectable source (ie your national anti-doping agency or from WADA itself) when publicly commenting on such matters. If you have a source then please let them stand for their opinions. Without such endorsement or support, it is unlikely that the opinion has substance and should therefore warrant strong editorial scrutiny. Of course, any individual has the right to free speech, but they should be knowledgeble and accountable for their words. Otherwise, much confusion will arise in the lay public in the reading of articles on the subject. This we are now seeing with alarming regularity. The Germans believe the Russians dope, The Russians believe everyone dopes, The Norwegians believe the Germans dope and so on. He raced well so she doped. She did not start so must be doping and is trying to avoid detection. Who to believe? none? all? or ??? Leave the opinions to the experts and please silence the rumor mongers. We have actually made great headway in the war against anti-doping.

    6) The IBU has nothing to hide when it comes to anti-doping. Besides our own extensive anti-doping work, we have an independent anti-doping test program through WADA, who conducts independent testing on our sport. We are not aware of who, when or where they will test. Despite this, WADA has not found one case of doping in biathlon in all of their testing in the past four years

    So, in summary, know what you are talking about when you criticize the anti-doping fight. In reference to Biathlon, we are fully transparent and I am personally always ready, as IBU representative in these matters, to discuss any concerns the press or public has about our sport. We welcome constructive ideas and solutions to the doping fight. Consult with experts and be a part of the solution. Speak with knowledge or do not speak at all. I look forward to the day when the money used to fight doping can be used to further coaching, development and training plans. As always, I am willing to discuss any issue related to anti-doping within our sport in a legal and transparent manner. Do you want your readers to have a good read??? Then why not discuss the positive. Why not show what is currently happening and also what is coming down the tracks in the way of positive developments in anti-doping. If not interested in the positive then get off the tracks. The train is coming fast …….

    Jim Carrabre MD MPE FACSM
    Chair IBU Medical Committee

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    O incercare a IBU de a pune batista pe tambal in cazurile de dopaj. Foarte bine, pana la urma o se le explodeze totul in fata cum s-a intamplat in ciclism

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    @ Sörensen: Cum engleza mea este zero, poate faci un ascurt rezulat al celor inserate mai sus...
    Mersi anticipat !

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    Trei dintre cele mai bune biatloniste din lume, Magdalena Neuner, Andrea Henkel si Kati Wilhelm au fost invitate sambata seara in showul international "Wetten dass..." transmis de ZDF in colaborare cu ORF si SRG. Elegante, stralucitoare ele au facut o figura remarcabila mult apreciata de publicul din Erfurt ca si de telespectatori.

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    Jim Carrabre presedinte comitetului medical IBU :
    Spune ca ziaristul de la Frankfurter Zeitung ---Claus Dieterle care a lansat acuzatiile de dopaj de acum ceva vreme--- a scris fara a avea probe ...si dc totusi le-ar detine ar trebui sa le prezinte ( el sau oricine altcineva )

    Apoi spune ca biathlonul desi a avut parte de niste probleme cu doping-ul este un sport curat si ca federatia (IBU) este transparenta cu privire la doping ...

    Apoi sunt explicatii tehnice cu privire la o subst incriminata in articol...adica acest ziarist,spune Carrabe , nu cunoaste specificatiile cu privire la respectiva substanta...

    oricum "Speak with knowledge or do not speak at all " ----vorbeste in cunostiinta de cauza sau nu vorbi deloc...----- cam asta ar fi concluzia trasa de Carrabe


    Pana la urma e usor sa vb... sa acuzi...dar nu e corect...trebuiesc aduse probe...nu poti arunca cu noroi si doar atat...

    Dopaj cred ca este in biathlon... dar unii zic ca de ex Neuner ar fi mai suspecta ca ca bjorndalen... de ce ? nu vad motivul real... desi il simpatizez pe Ole ..pot spune ca e cu multe clase peste majoritatea ...aproape nefiresc
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    Biatleta germana Andrea Henkel a castigat proba de sprint din cadrul campionatelor mondiale militare care au loc in Austria.

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