Alexei Mishin

[whisper]

Chiar daca nu e unul dintre favoriti nostri,merita un thread

Alexei Nikolaevich Mishin (born in 1941) is a Russian former figure skater and a current coach.

Among Mishin's pupils are Olympic champion Alexei Urmanov, World and Olympic Champions Alexei Yagudin, and Evgeni Plushenko and several champions of the Soviet Union and Russia. Mishin also advises many other skaters from other countries during his seminars in the summer. Among those who have benefited from his expertise are Romania's Gheorghe Chiper and Swiss skater Stéphane Lambiel.

Mishin started skating at the age of 15. He competed in singles within the Soviet Union and in 1966 he started competing internationally in pairs with Tamara Moskvina. Together they won the 1969 USSR Championship -- defeating both the two-time Olympic Gold medalists Ludmila Belousova and Oleg Protopopov, and the future champions Irina Rodnina and Alexei Ulanov -- and placed second at the 1969 World Figure Skating Championships. They won the Silver medal (1968) and the Bronze medal (1969) at the European Championships. They later decided to retire to concentrate on a coaching career. Mishin was only 28.

Mishin graduated from university with a degree in mechanics and started his dissertation on the mechanical base of figure skating technique. He started teaching singles, both men and ladies and soon became a well-known coach thanks to his exercise techniques and methods for conditioning that made the skaters learn jumps very quickly.

Moskvina and Mishin
Documentary On Mishin and Tarasova

[Tracoromana]

Sa il prezentam!

http://www.evgeniplushenko.net/photos/mishin.gif

Nu prea stiu multe despre el. Alexei Urmanov campion olimpic 1994.............binenteles Plushenko........si pe ici pe colo Yagudin. Cam astia!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XR48uGqggiI

... si vesta magica!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u98VG9A3wwY

...si in ciclul "Nici un thread fara Yagudin" , daca doriti sa revedeti.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAcHmaERGpQ

[lady_k]

Whisper, un thread despre Linichuk si Karponosov ar fi dragut...

[alyosha_87]

vai, ce dragut a fost sa il revad pe Alexei in acest program. desi nu prea ma dau in vant dupa "era Mishin"

[Tracoromana]

http://www.evgeniplushenko.net/photos/epcoach.gif
It was Plushenko's talent at a young age that fascinated Mishin. When Plushenko was 11, he showed extraordinary skills by mastering all his triple jumps.

Plushenko’s mother brought her son to Mishin in St. Petersburg. She stayed for a short time and after a brief time left Plushenko to stay with Mishin. A year later Plushenko’s mother moved back to St. Petersburg to be with her son.

Mishin paid for their apartment and supported Evgeni with food and money. "He is a very good coach and a very nice person," Plushenko said of Mishin. "Without him, I don’t know, I would be nothing."

[florik2000]

cred ca ne asteapta surprize mari din partea lui Mishin in viitorul apropiat,cred ca o mai tineti minte pe fata de 11 ani care sarea toate triplele

[rocs_a]

fata aia va deveni o viitoare fata-plushenko
wow, cate a putut sa faca mishin pt plushy! merita admirat pt asta. a fost un descoperitor de talente. bv lui

[Tracoromana]

Relativ la elevii sai Yagudin si Plushenko, Mishin a declarat ca el nu poate tine la doua persoane in aceeasi masura.

[ricochet4]

yagudin nu era cu tarasova ?

[rocs_a]

ba da, dar intai a fost la mishin. si olimpiada a castigat-o in 2002 cand era antrenat de tarasova

[bijoufan]

de cand am auzit povestea cu yags mishin si plushy, l am urat pe omul asta!cred ca ii crapa pipota acum, ca numai are niciun elev care sa i duca faima de mare antrenor mai departe

[Tracoromana]

Din Wikipedia, referitor la parerea lui Mishin despre patinatoare:

"Coaching women is dangerous — there's always probability that the story of Pygmalion will recur periodically. My wife was a mere pupil at first. See, what has eventually happened?"

He also jokingly "Russian women are not very good for figure skating. They are just too strong and big" :ras-plans:

[florik2000]

sunt sigura ca va avea in viitorul apropiat..se pregateste pt 2014 cu siguranta.si ar putea ,daca ar vrea sa antreneze pe aproape oricine,ce patinator nu l-ar vrea pe Mishin antrenor?

[rocs_a]

Tchaikovskaya's personal interest sometimes took priority over psychology, but the falling apart of USSR, radically changing the mindset of the young generation, also played a part in the lowering of her students' skating quality. Perhaps it was because Yelena Anatolievna failed to find common ground with the first post-Soviet generation, to really understand its character and its thinking, this most experienced of coaches failed to handle neither the certainly talented Christina Oblasova, nor the difficult but promising Julia Soldatova and Lyudmila Nelidina. Then again, the same problem prevented Alexei Mishin and Victor Kudryavtsev from helping Yelena Sokolova to the highest steps of the podium. To be fair, the intelligent beauty wasn't lucky with when she was born - in 1998, she wasn't yet physically ready to win, whereas by 2006 American and Asian continents have raised competitors that were too young and too strong. In Salt Lake City, though, Lena could have well displayed her superiority, but psychological instability got in her way. As one medical joke said - the patient started getting better, but didn't get there.

Alexei Nikolaevich Mishin does not employ an on-staff psychologist/ psychotherapist. This is probably why none of his female students reached the top places of the world elite. Despite extensive experience and a long effort to work with the fair sex on ice, Mishin became world famous only as a singles man coach. Many of the girls in his group complained of the coach's rude, often humiliating jokes. Apparently, the Professor fails to notice when a child becomes a young woman, and misses the opportunity to change his work methods. Or, perhaps, he just doesn't want to.



Asta e un fragment dintr-un articol gasit despre antrenori si psihologii sportivi...the point is that mishin mocks the female students

[florik2000]

Nu cred sa fie adevarat.Probabil asa se comporta cu toti elevii sai,iar fetele sunt normal mai sensibile.Poate nu e tocmai cel mai diplomat antrenor,dar banuiesc ca atunci cand ai sansa sa te antrenezi cu el,pur si simplu te antrenezi si nu mai bagi in seama celelalte lucruri.

[rocs_a]

Iata ce a declarat mai demult alexei despre mishin


Q: "How is your attitude with you past coach Alexei Mishin and his pupil Plushenko?"
AY: "Mishin doesn't say anything good about me. He says that Yagudin wins when Plushenko skates bad and Plushenko wins when Yagudin skates good. I have never said anything bad about Mishin, I thanked him, he did a lot for my jumps. I always greet him, but he turns away from me. And our attitude with Plushenko we should clear up only on the ice. We don't like each other (but it's our own affair ). It's so not because of ice competitions, our attitude has grown up that way since we trained together. But I don't want to remember it now."

[florik2000]

da si?as spune eu.....ce daca nu se intelege cu Mishin...cred ca atat el cat si Evgeni au fost extraordinari..asa o competitie intre 2 patinatori,nu va mai fi multa vreme de acuma incolo

[rocs_a]

da si?as spune eu.....ce daca nu se intelege cu Mishin...cred ca atat el cat si Evgeni au fost extraordinari..asa o competitie intre 2 patinatori,nu va mai fi multa vreme de acuma incolo

da si nimic. nu am dorit sa fiu incisiva sau sa acuz . doar am gasit articolul si am prezentat fragmentul ca e on topic in cazul de fata.

[Tracoromana]

Intr-adevar, a fost o competitie extraordinara, dar asta a fost finalul fericit al lucrurilor si la acest final au contribuit 2 factori:

1) Alexei a stiut cu o maturitate extraordinara ca daca ramane cu Mishin va bate pasul pe loc si a decis singur, rapid, ce are de facut.
2) Cu intuitie feminina si cu tact pedagic Tarasova a inteles ca Alexei trebuie sustinut si nu criticat sau neglijat pentru a da ce e mai bun din el. Unii la varsta adolescentei sunt mai sensibili.

[Iulya]

Q: How did you end up in Mittenwald?
Mishin: One of my skating pupils, Anna Hofmann is from Austria, from Innsbruck. Her parents recommended me to choose Mittenwald for a training camp. It’s a very good atmosphere, very friendly staff, very friendly officials. These were the reasons why I agreed to take part in Mittenwald. We have excellent conditions here. And the main reason is, that we have, compared to other places like Hackensack in New Jersey, we have here completely fresh air. We are skating 1000 m above sea level. For me, the coach this is like a recreational area. I spend seven, eight hours a day (on the ice), I’m walking on fresh air. For the skaters also, it’s good for the health.
Q: How are your students progressing in practice?
Mishin: This competitive season will answer this question. Here I put all my best skaters such as Pluschenko, Lutaj, Artur Gatchinskij, Artur Dmitriev (jr), Katja Gerboldt, Lisa Tuchtamysheva and Mascha Staviskaja. All are skating here.
Q: What do you think about the changes of the rules?
Mishin: We need some changes in the rules, and some of them are good, for example one spin less in the free skating in senior and one step sequence less for the juniors. These are good changes, because we need time, we have to do so complicated spins, one spin sometimes take around 40 seconds. Even if you have three spins in the program you are able to show if you are good in the spins or not good. For example, the higher value for the triple Axel is not enough, because the quad or triple Axel is much, much more complicated than 7.5. For example, toeloop will bring us 8 points and Axel the same. This is something I completely disagree with. This is not good. About higher deductions for errors on these jumps, I also don’t agree, because this rule stops the progress. Nobody likes to take a risk. This is my private opinion. But I will follow the rules which ISU sent us, but I don’t think these are the best changes. I think the value of the quad and triple Axel should be much higher. It will stimulate progress in the jumps. Now we are much behind the generation of Timothy Goebel, Evgenij Pluschenko, Alexej Jagudin, Michael Weiss.


http://www.figureskating-online.com/pageID_6529386.html

[Tracoromana]

Mishin: “Ice Age” creators are more professional than the sport bureaucrats

Skaters are launching on a pre-Olympic season. A renowned Petersburg coach and an Honorary citizen of Saint Petersburg Alexei Mishin talked to the “Saint-Petersburg.ru” correspondent about the going-ons in the national team and the Russian skaters’ chances for success.

Alexei Nikolaevich, what can the figure skating fans expect in the new season?

The season ahead of us is the key to determining the real health of figure skating in our country. Our team representation at the Montreal Olympics will depend on this year’s World championships. If the team does well, we’ll have good representation; it could, though, skate such that we’d only get one athlete at the Games.

Following the Turin Olympics, Russian figure skating was in a very deep hole. Only real athletic results that various sportsmen groups can show will determine if we can climb out of this hole.

How did this deep hole come to be?

One country cannot dominate figure skating for 50 years. All natural processes develop in a sine-like fashion. One upon time, there were Americans Carol Heiss and Dick Button, Canadian Jenkins, and Austrians Dantzer and Schwarz. Those were the undefeated kings, and where are they now? Those countries no longer exist in figure skating. The only country that has remained a leader for many years is Russia. However, we, too, cannot permanently hold the leadership, as our country has encountered social, political and economic problems, as well as mass immigration of coaches and lack of interest in the remaining trainers. All of this couldn’t help but affect the outcomes.

You mainly deal with single men. Who can now vie for high placements among the Russian team members?

If we’re talking about senior category among men, the most favorable positions are held by Sergei Voronov, Andrei Lutai, and Andrei Griazev. The young shoots aren’t yet mature enough to find their place on the team.

What about Evgeny Plushenko? Is he coming back, or isn’t he?

Zhenya is a super-athlete. He conducted three training camps with me – in Italy, Estonia, and Germany – and reached the mastery level that no leading Russian skaters of the time had. A couple of elements he performed overshadowed everyone else with his perfection. Currently, however, he has a lot on his plate – his deputy’s duties, family, divorce, TV, and his own show. He therefore lost the opportunity to continue real training. If, however, he would seriously get back into it, he will become the best in Russia. I will welcome him at any moment, and will enjoy working with him, because such work always yields some creative ideas. However, I can’t say for sure that he’ll come back. That question should be addressed to him personally.

What are Russia’s chances in other types of figure skating?

Pair skating now has a strong team of Kawaguchi-Smirnov, but by Sochi there will be a generation change. It’s entirely possible that some of the teams now training with the extraordinary coach Natalya Pavlova will be real contenders in Sochi.

The ladies skating, though, looks like a Russian “Zaporozhets” acquiring “Mercedes” bumper. At the last European championships, the TV commentators talked excitedly about our girls’ 17th and 19th places, declaring this to be a great achievement. But even 50 years ago, when Scheglova and Grzhibovskaya got 4th, 5th, and 6th places, this was considered a failure.

Is it really that bad?

No, not really. If you look at the girls who are now 11 through 13, you see several young skaters whose skating is on par with the strongest girls of that age around the world. Heading this list is Lisa Tuktamyseva. I would also include Polina Shelepen, Nicole Gasviani, and Adelina Sotnikova. Those children can realistically be among the strongest by the Sochi Olympics, since having the Games in your home country has special significance for the athletes.

However, if we speak of figure skating in general, for a while now men skating has personified the most avant-garde thinking and the brightest accomplishments. I think, therefore, that a renaissance of Russian figure skating awaits us primarily in this discipline, since our group has wonderful children we’re putting our hopes into. For example, Feodosy Efremenkov and Vladislav Tarasenkov could get to the level comparable to the strongest skaters of the World by the time of the Sochi Olympics.

What about ice dancing?

I have my own opinions about this discipline. Sure, dances are bright, beautiful, and joyful, but due to the nebulous nature of judging criteria inherent in this discipline, they do not belong in Olympic Games. It would therefore be silly to talk about athletic prospects there. I, for example, like the tango, while you prefer foxtrot – how do we then judge the sport? The whole history of ice dancing says that the work of the judging corps determined the results more so than professional mastery.

What about the televised dancing on ice, what do you think of it?

I know many fans who enjoy “Ice Ages” a lot. Those shows do po****rize figure skating. However, figure skating and “Ice Ages” are not one and same. I don’t overestimate their importance, let it develop as it may, but I tend to share Prime Minister Vladimir Putin’s position, who, back when he was president, said, “How is it – many shows, but few medals”. I think we should have many shows and many medals. My diagnosis is that the mastery and professional level of those responsible for the shows is much higher than the mastery and professional level of those responsible for the sport.