Toate meciurile Finalei vor fi transmise in direct de Sport 1. Primul, simbata spre duminica, ora 3.00.
Toate meciurile Finalei vor fi transmise in direct de Sport 1. Primul, simbata spre duminica, ora 3.00.
Un articol grozav de pe nhl.com
Without a shred of doubt, Mark Messier said the Edmonton Oilers were not ready to beat the New York Islanders in the 1983 Stanley Cup Final. Perhaps one day Sidney Crosby will say the same thing about the Pittsburgh Penguins circa 2008.
The Oilers, Messier said, weren't ready to spill all of their guts like the Islanders had become so accustomed to doing in winning four consecutive Cups from 1980-83. They weren't ready to handle the adversity every team inevitably faces in the Stanley Cup Final. They weren't ready to be Islander tough.
That's why the Oilers were swept in their first appearance in the Stanley Cup Final in 1983. All of those same reasons could very well be why the young Penguins lost to the Detroit Red Wings, 4-2, in the Stanley Cup Final last year.
"They knew how to win, how to play a solid defensive system that was hard to penetrate and we knew in order for us to win we had to shore up our defensive game and play tight as a team," Messier told NHL.com about the 1983 Islanders in a phone interview Thursday. "They took things we like to do away from us."
The Red Wings did that to Pittsburgh last season, but just like the Penguins have now, the Oilers got a second chance in 1984. As Messier said, because they figured out how to beat the Isles at their own game, the hockey world is celebrating the silver anniversary of Edmonton's first championship.
Maybe come mid-June the Penguins will have started a dynasty of their own.
"We used them as our guide to winning hockey," Messier said of the Islanders. "We had to be tougher mentally, in the trenches, in shot blocking, in all the areas."
It can be argued that Edmonton's dynasty actually started the moment the players walked out of the visitor's locker room at Nassau Coliseum the night of May 17, 1983.
After losing Game 4 of the Stanley Cup Final, 4-2, a still spry group of young Oilers walked past the celebratory Islanders' dressing room and saw ice packs covering many of the veteran players who had just paraded the Cup around the ice.
The thought among the Oilers is they didn't hurt enough to win. The Isles did.
"They knew how to win and sacrificing yourself in a lot of different situations was all part of it," Messier said. "That story is true."
The Penguins don't have a similar story to use as motivation, and unlike the Oilers of 25 years ago, the Penguins were inconsistent from the start of this season and fought adversity until a coaching change and some shrewd roster moves stabilized them.
The Oilers, meanwhile, opened the 1983-84 season with seven straight wins. They were 16-3-1 by the 20-game mark, 29-7-4 at midseason and 39-9-5 after 50 games.
The Oilers, though, embarked on a five-game road trip starting Feb. 5 in Washington. A 9-2 loss was followed by a 5-3 loss on Long Island, a 4-3 loss at the Spectrum in Philadelphia and a 4-1 loss at the Boston Garden.
The last game of the trip was in Hartford, where the Whalers bombarded the Oilers to the tune of 11-0. The next day in practice, Messier said coach Glen Sather put on his equipment and started showing Wayne Gretzky how to pass, Jari Kurri how to shoot, Glenn Anderson how to skate and Dave Semenko how to fight.
"It was a humbling experience for all of us," Messier said.
It turned out to be their first defining moment they came back and won 18 of their last 22 games before rolling through Winnipeg in three games to start the Stanley Cup Playoffs.
Ironically, after Dan Bylsma replaced Michel Therrien as coach exactly 25 years and three days after the Whalers crushed the Oilers, the Penguins took off and won 18 of their last 25 games before opening the playoffs with a six-game series win against Philadelphia.
For the Oilers, their next defining moment came on April 22, when they beat the Calgary Flames, 7-4, in Game 7 to advance to the Campbell Conference Finals. Four games in that series were won by a single goal.
Similarly, the Penguins needed seven games to dispatch the Washington Capitals in the Eastern Conference Semifinals this year. Five games in that series were won by a single goal.
"Being in certain situations and knowing how each other will react under pressure situations is very important," Messier said. "Certainly we had the confidence we could react in the right way when push came to shove."
The Minnesota North Stars were no match for the Oilers in the Conference Final just as Carolina was no match for the Penguins this year. Both series ended in sweeps.
"We had to beat the Islanders at their own game and change some of the things we liked to do. We had to be more committed defensively. We had to change our game and beat them at their own game."
-- Mark Messier on 1984 Cup Final
When the '83 Final opened on Long Island, Messier remembers a confident aura around the Oilers because they knew what they needed to do to beat the Islanders. The Penguins are feeling the same way now as they head into the series against the Wings.
"We had to beat the Islanders at their own game and change some of the things we liked to do," Messier said. "We had to be more committed defensively. We had to change our game and beat them at their own game."
It worked in Game 1 as the Oilers won, 1-0. New York flipped the switch in Game 2 and raced out to a 6-1 victory that convinced a lot of people that the Islanders were going to cruise to their fifth straight Stanley Cup championship.
"A game like that will make you think," Messier said.
By the end of Game 3, the Oilers had the Islanders thinking instead.
Messier scored the goal of the series when he undressed rookie defenseman Gord Dineen before beating Islanders goalie Billy Smith to the short side for a goal that tied Game 3 at 2-2 in the second period.
The Oilers scored five more times to win Game 3 by a 7-2 margin. They won by the same score in Game 4 and hoisted the Stanley Cup after a 5-2 victory in Game 5. Messier won the Conn Smythe Trophy.
"For a lot of different reasons it really gave us confidence that we could play our game against this team and that was what we were really struggling with," Messier said of his goal. "It was hard for us to unleash the offense so we felt restrained in our game and it was tough. That goal freed us up to believe we could play our game and open the offense and still be committed defensively. Sure enough that's what happened. From that point on we broke their backs. They were tired and beat up and we were able to take it to them. The flood gates opened and it all changed."
Forever.
NHL.com
[b]"If you want it, dont just think you want it, go out and ****ing WANT IT! [/b] - Bruce "***ing" Boudreau
uite mie imi place mentalitatea asta pur romaneasca...inteleg ca pinguinii apartin lui Sentient... Sentient's penguins.Originally Posted by Sentient7
haha,da,folosind aceeasi logica,toti fanii Senators mai tineri de 90 de ani sunt bandwagoners. deci aproape 100%.
hai sa vedem orice echipa din NHL sa aiba 5 ani ca Penguins inaintea de venirea lui Crosby si apoi discutam... sa fie Rico Fata cel mai bun jucator din echipa. sa-l trade pe Jagr pentru un sac de pucuri pentru ca nu ai bani sa-l platesti... banuiesc ca faci parte dintre cei care ii urasc pe Penguins pentru ca au castigat loteria,si pe Crosby pentru ca a ajuns la Penguins. extrem de original. bandwagoners-i sau nu,Penguins joaca a doua oara consecutiv finala,tu schimbi echipele favorite ca pe chiloti in timpul asta...
e ca si cum as spune ca turnul eiffel e al meu
e un sport ca oricare altul, facut ca organizare dupa NFL, NBA si alte sporturi americane. Ca fapt divers fanii penguins adevarati, aia localnici sunt mai toti rednecks ca traiesc in acel oras gen galati. Betivani, inculti, grasani care se refuleaza la meciurile lui steelers sau penguins..prilej sa mai bea tone de bere si sa manance vreo 3 hamburgers. N-am vazut un singur fan localnic de al lor classy. N-as putea sa simpatizez cu echipele astea ca automat m-as identifica cu ai lor fani. Nu o lua ca o jignire e doar o realitate...
eu sunt doar fan caps si recunosc ca nu ma uit la alte meciuri...dar mi-as dori acum sa castige aia din west.
Win w/o Datsyuk, noroc cu Fleury. Osgood stepped up big time also.
Oh and F Nbc pt back 2 back games.
Pens au avut momentumul doar 5 minute in repriza a doua . In rest , Red Wings au controlat jocul si au marcat doua goluri cu ceva noroc. Franzen is clutch
Am promis-o pe asta ..Sid the Kid ! ! !
[b]"If you want it, dont just think you want it, go out and ****ing WANT IT! [/b] - Bruce "***ing" Boudreau
Am spus-o la inceputul playoffului, daca Osgood e solid in poarta , nu-i opreste nimeni pe Red Wings. A jucat excelent in primele doua meciuri din SC .
Pacat doar ca Red Wings au renuntat la puck possesion game-ul pe care il aveau si practica un sistem defensiv. Cred ca depth-ul face diferenta , iar au marcat pentru Red Wings jucatori ca Abdelkader Ericsson,Valterri
Mai impresionant e faptul ca reusesc sa conduca cu 2-0 desi joaca fara cel mai bun om al lor din regular season .
Sper sa face ceva Pens in meciurile lor de pe gheata proprie, vreau cel putin 6 meciuri
[b]"If you want it, dont just think you want it, go out and ****ing WANT IT! [/b] - Bruce "***ing" Boudreau
iar a dat gol Debarcader ala
If you get in trouble, just go back in time!
Abdelkader e campion NCAA in 07 cu Michigan State si MVP in Frozen Four si a terminat sezonul 07-08 cu 42 meciuri, 19 goluri si 21 de pase. A fost draftat de pe pozitia 42 in 2007, clar ca nu e vreun fraier. Si a jucat oricum mai bine in primele 2 meciuri decit Satan, ca sa dau un singur nume.
Satan e clar washed-up , cred ca de la anul il vedem prin liga rusa . Iar Abdelkader oricat de bine ar fi jucat in NCAA si la nivelul juniorilor avea totusi doar doua meciuri in sezonul regulat in lineup-ul lui Red Wings..deci e o surpriza(placuta) pana acum. Si cand te gandesti ca daca nu lipseau Datsyuk,Draper si Kopecky , nici nu apucam sa-l vedem pe Abdelkader ..depthul de la Detroit e absolut insane
[b]"If you want it, dont just think you want it, go out and ****ing WANT IT! [/b] - Bruce "***ing" Boudreau
E finala Cupei Stanley si ati intrat toti in vacanta. Vorbesc singur pe aici
Anyway, Pens au jucat senzational in meciurile de pe teren propriu , au egalat seria nesperat si se indreapta spre Detroit cu tot momentumul dupa ei . Abia astept sa-i vad fata lui Hossa daca pierde Detroit finala
Cum se spune, indiferent de rezultat Malkin cu Conn Smythe . Il merita cu prisosinta (nu prea s-a facut remarcat in seria cu Philly in afara de primele 2 jocuri si in seria cu Caps , dar s-a revansat contra Carolinei si in special in finala)
[b]"If you want it, dont just think you want it, go out and ****ing WANT IT! [/b] - Bruce "***ing" Boudreau
tu centrezi,tu dai cu capul
Anul asta Conn Smythe tre sa se imparta la 2 : Malkin + Crosby 66 de puncte in 21 de meciuri!!!OMG :mask
If you get in trouble, just go back in time!
Eu l-am vazut in direct in timp ce invatam pentru examen
Malkin are cu 4 puncte mai mult si a fost mai bun in finala . Cred ca e no-brainer...evident , nu exclud posibilitatea ca Sidakid
[b]"If you want it, dont just think you want it, go out and ****ing WANT IT! [/b] - Bruce "***ing" Boudreau
eu nu vad deloc...decii nu am ce sa comentez.
la ce invatai???la sport???teoria pucului????
messi , chiar nu poti sa intri pe nhltorrents si sa descarci de acolo meciurile ?
offtopic : la drept comunitar ...tot aia :ras-plans:
[b]"If you want it, dont just think you want it, go out and ****ing WANT IT! [/b] - Bruce "***ing" Boudreau
nu pot...mi-am facut cont.am pus sa se copie si nu merge.netu meu e prea prost si nici macar nu pornea.am pus pe frate-miu sa imi copie acasa caps-pens ala cu hattrik-urile.si inca unu parca sa le vad la vara.in rest nu am cum sa vad.
so much for that...
Dats
now finish it in 6.
Pai a revenit Datsyuk si s-au schimbat mult in bine Red Wings. Asta e pentru cei care contestau nominalizarea lui Pavel pentru Hart Trophy.
[b]"If you want it, dont just think you want it, go out and ****ing WANT IT! [/b] - Bruce "***ing" Boudreau
Heatley asks Senators for trade
Pareri Cosmin?
If you get in trouble, just go back in time!
Sa se duca sanatos . Niciodata nu mi-au placut plangaciosii si oamenii care fug de responsabilitati . Heatley nu se mai simte asa bine pentru ca echipa nu mai e la fel de buna . Toata lumea a dat vina pe antrenorii care s-au perindat pe la club ,dar nimeni nu l-a invinovatit pe el pentru ca sa fim sinceri , joaca ca un kkt de un an jumate. Sa pleci exact cand echipa are mai mare nevoie de tine , iata un adevarat caracter
[b]"If you want it, dont just think you want it, go out and ****ing WANT IT! [/b] - Bruce "***ing" Boudreau
The Stanley Cup champions
Lord Stanley, Lord Stanley, bring me the brandy!
He puts the puck upstairs, where El Presidente keeps the election results!
ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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