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whisper
20th October 2007, 16:36
Chiar daca nu e unul dintre favoriti nostri,merita un thread:P

Alexei Nikolaevich Mishin (born in 1941) is a Russian former figure skater and a current coach.

Among Mishin's pupils are Olympic champion Alexei Urmanov, World and Olympic Champions Alexei Yagudin, and Evgeni Plushenko and several champions of the Soviet Union and Russia. Mishin also advises many other skaters from other countries during his seminars in the summer. Among those who have benefited from his expertise are Romania's Gheorghe Chiper and Swiss skater Stéphane Lambiel.

Mishin started skating at the age of 15. He competed in singles within the Soviet Union and in 1966 he started competing internationally in pairs with Tamara Moskvina. Together they won the 1969 USSR Championship -- defeating both the two-time Olympic Gold medalists Ludmila Belousova and Oleg Protopopov, and the future champions Irina Rodnina and Alexei Ulanov -- and placed second at the 1969 World Figure Skating Championships. They won the Silver medal (1968) and the Bronze medal (1969) at the European Championships. They later decided to retire to concentrate on a coaching career. Mishin was only 28.

Mishin graduated from university with a degree in mechanics and started his dissertation on the mechanical base of figure skating technique. He started teaching singles, both men and ladies and soon became a well-known coach thanks to his exercise techniques and methods for conditioning that made the skaters learn jumps very quickly.

Moskvina and Mishin (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cM5ls3H1plo)
Documentary On Mishin and Tarasova (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMa245sAONE&mode=related&search=)

Tracoromana
6th November 2007, 23:39
Sa il prezentam!

http://www.evgeniplushenko.net/photos/mishin.gif

Nu prea stiu multe despre el. Alexei Urmanov campion olimpic 1994.............binenteles Plushenko........si pe ici pe colo Yagudin. Cam astia!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XR48uGqggiI

... si vesta magica!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u98VG9A3wwY

...si in ciclul "Nici un thread fara Yagudin" , daca doriti sa revedeti.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAcHmaERGpQ

lady_k
8th November 2007, 17:55
Whisper, un thread despre Linichuk si Karponosov ar fi dragut...:D

alyosha_87
8th November 2007, 19:16
vai, ce dragut a fost sa il revad pe Alexei in acest program. :) desi nu prea ma dau in vant dupa "era Mishin" :P

Tracoromana
27th March 2008, 00:54
http://www.evgeniplushenko.net/photos/epcoach.gif
It was Plushenko's talent at a young age that fascinated Mishin. When Plushenko was 11, he showed extraordinary skills by mastering all his triple jumps.

Plushenko’s mother brought her son to Mishin in St. Petersburg. She stayed for a short time and after a brief time left Plushenko to stay with Mishin. A year later Plushenko’s mother moved back to St. Petersburg to be with her son.

Mishin paid for their apartment and supported Evgeni with food and money. "He is a very good coach and a very nice person," Plushenko said of Mishin. "Without him, I don’t know, I would be nothing."

florik2000
27th March 2008, 14:10
cred ca ne asteapta surprize mari din partea lui Mishin in viitorul apropiat,cred ca o mai tineti minte pe fata de 11 ani care sarea toate triplele:)

rocs_a
27th March 2008, 17:17
fata aia va deveni o viitoare fata-plushenko :)
wow, cate a putut sa faca mishin pt plushy! merita admirat pt asta. a fost un descoperitor de talente. bv lui

Tracoromana
27th March 2008, 17:30
Relativ la elevii sai Yagudin si Plushenko, Mishin a declarat ca el nu poate tine la doua persoane in aceeasi masura.

ricochet4
27th March 2008, 19:47
yagudin nu era cu tarasova ?

rocs_a
27th March 2008, 20:05
ba da, dar intai a fost la mishin. si olimpiada a castigat-o in 2002 cand era antrenat de tarasova

bijoufan
29th March 2008, 01:41
de cand am auzit povestea cu yags mishin si plushy, l am urat pe omul asta!cred ca ii crapa pipota acum, ca numai are niciun elev care sa i duca faima de mare antrenor mai departe:drak:

Tracoromana
29th March 2008, 12:11
Din Wikipedia, referitor la parerea lui Mishin despre patinatoare:

"Coaching women is dangerous — there's always probability that the story of Pygmalion will recur periodically. My wife was a mere pupil at first. See, what has eventually happened?" :evil:

He also jokingly "Russian women are not very good for figure skating. They are just too strong and big" :ras-plans:

florik2000
29th March 2008, 12:12
sunt sigura ca va avea in viitorul apropiat..se pregateste pt 2014 cu siguranta.si ar putea ,daca ar vrea sa antreneze pe aproape oricine,ce patinator nu l-ar vrea pe Mishin antrenor?:confused:

rocs_a
18th April 2008, 19:48
Tchaikovskaya's personal interest sometimes took priority over psychology, but the falling apart of USSR, radically changing the mindset of the young generation, also played a part in the lowering of her students' skating quality. Perhaps it was because Yelena Anatolievna failed to find common ground with the first post-Soviet generation, to really understand its character and its thinking, this most experienced of coaches failed to handle neither the certainly talented Christina Oblasova, nor the difficult but promising Julia Soldatova and Lyudmila Nelidina. Then again, the same problem prevented Alexei Mishin and Victor Kudryavtsev from helping Yelena Sokolova to the highest steps of the podium. To be fair, the intelligent beauty wasn't lucky with when she was born - in 1998, she wasn't yet physically ready to win, whereas by 2006 American and Asian continents have raised competitors that were too young and too strong. In Salt Lake City, though, Lena could have well displayed her superiority, but psychological instability got in her way. As one medical joke said - the patient started getting better, but didn't get there.

Alexei Nikolaevich Mishin does not employ an on-staff psychologist/ psychotherapist. This is probably why none of his female students reached the top places of the world elite. Despite extensive experience and a long effort to work with the fair sex on ice, Mishin became world famous only as a singles man coach. Many of the girls in his group complained of the coach's rude, often humiliating jokes. Apparently, the Professor fails to notice when a child becomes a young woman, and misses the opportunity to change his work methods. Or, perhaps, he just doesn't want to.



Asta e un fragment dintr-un articol gasit despre antrenori si psihologii sportivi...the point is that mishin mocks the female students :(

florik2000
19th April 2008, 13:31
Nu cred sa fie adevarat.Probabil asa se comporta cu toti elevii sai,iar fetele sunt normal mai sensibile.Poate nu e tocmai cel mai diplomat antrenor,dar banuiesc ca atunci cand ai sansa sa te antrenezi cu el,pur si simplu te antrenezi si nu mai bagi in seama celelalte lucruri.

rocs_a
30th May 2008, 01:37
Iata ce a declarat mai demult alexei despre mishin


Q: "How is your attitude with you past coach Alexei Mishin and his pupil Plushenko?"
AY: "Mishin doesn't say anything good about me. He says that Yagudin wins when Plushenko skates bad and Plushenko wins when Yagudin skates good. I have never said anything bad about Mishin, I thanked him, he did a lot for my jumps. I always greet him, but he turns away from me. And our attitude with Plushenko we should clear up only on the ice. We don't like each other (but it's our own affair ). It's so not because of ice competitions, our attitude has grown up that way since we trained together. But I don't want to remember it now."

florik2000
30th May 2008, 16:28
da si?as spune eu.....ce daca nu se intelege cu Mishin...cred ca atat el cat si Evgeni au fost extraordinari..asa o competitie intre 2 patinatori,nu va mai fi multa vreme de acuma incolo:(

rocs_a
30th May 2008, 16:56
da si?as spune eu.....ce daca nu se intelege cu Mishin...cred ca atat el cat si Evgeni au fost extraordinari..asa o competitie intre 2 patinatori,nu va mai fi multa vreme de acuma incolo:(

da si nimic. nu am dorit sa fiu incisiva sau sa acuz . doar am gasit articolul si am prezentat fragmentul ca e on topic in cazul de fata. :confused:

Tracoromana
30th May 2008, 17:21
Intr-adevar, a fost o competitie extraordinara, dar asta a fost finalul fericit al lucrurilor si la acest final au contribuit 2 factori:

1) Alexei a stiut cu o maturitate extraordinara ca daca ramane cu Mishin va bate pasul pe loc si a decis singur, rapid, ce are de facut.
2) Cu intuitie feminina si cu tact pedagic Tarasova a inteles ca Alexei trebuie sustinut si nu criticat sau neglijat pentru a da ce e mai bun din el. Unii la varsta adolescentei sunt mai sensibili.

Iulya
16th October 2008, 01:17
Q: How did you end up in Mittenwald?
Mishin: One of my skating pupils, Anna Hofmann is from Austria, from Innsbruck. Her parents recommended me to choose Mittenwald for a training camp. It’s a very good atmosphere, very friendly staff, very friendly officials. These were the reasons why I agreed to take part in Mittenwald. We have excellent conditions here. And the main reason is, that we have, compared to other places like Hackensack in New Jersey, we have here completely fresh air. We are skating 1000 m above sea level. For me, the coach this is like a recreational area. I spend seven, eight hours a day (on the ice), I’m walking on fresh air. For the skaters also, it’s good for the health.
Q: How are your students progressing in practice?
Mishin: This competitive season will answer this question. Here I put all my best skaters such as Pluschenko, Lutaj, Artur Gatchinskij, Artur Dmitriev (jr), Katja Gerboldt, Lisa Tuchtamysheva and Mascha Staviskaja. All are skating here.
Q: What do you think about the changes of the rules?
Mishin: We need some changes in the rules, and some of them are good, for example one spin less in the free skating in senior and one step sequence less for the juniors. These are good changes, because we need time, we have to do so complicated spins, one spin sometimes take around 40 seconds. Even if you have three spins in the program you are able to show if you are good in the spins or not good. For example, the higher value for the triple Axel is not enough, because the quad or triple Axel is much, much more complicated than 7.5. For example, toeloop will bring us 8 points and Axel the same. This is something I completely disagree with. This is not good. About higher deductions for errors on these jumps, I also don’t agree, because this rule stops the progress. Nobody likes to take a risk. This is my private opinion. But I will follow the rules which ISU sent us, but I don’t think these are the best changes. I think the value of the quad and triple Axel should be much higher. It will stimulate progress in the jumps. Now we are much behind the generation of Timothy Goebel, Evgenij Pluschenko, Alexej Jagudin, Michael Weiss.


http://www.figureskating-online.com/pageID_6529386.html

Tracoromana
16th October 2008, 22:32
Mishin: “Ice Age” creators are more professional than the sport bureaucrats

Skaters are launching on a pre-Olympic season. A renowned Petersburg coach and an Honorary citizen of Saint Petersburg Alexei Mishin talked to the “Saint-Petersburg.ru” correspondent about the going-ons in the national team and the Russian skaters’ chances for success.

Alexei Nikolaevich, what can the figure skating fans expect in the new season?

The season ahead of us is the key to determining the real health of figure skating in our country. Our team representation at the Montreal Olympics will depend on this year’s World championships. If the team does well, we’ll have good representation; it could, though, skate such that we’d only get one athlete at the Games.

Following the Turin Olympics, Russian figure skating was in a very deep hole. Only real athletic results that various sportsmen groups can show will determine if we can climb out of this hole.

How did this deep hole come to be?

One country cannot dominate figure skating for 50 years. All natural processes develop in a sine-like fashion. One upon time, there were Americans Carol Heiss and Dick Button, Canadian Jenkins, and Austrians Dantzer and Schwarz. Those were the undefeated kings, and where are they now? Those countries no longer exist in figure skating. The only country that has remained a leader for many years is Russia. However, we, too, cannot permanently hold the leadership, as our country has encountered social, political and economic problems, as well as mass immigration of coaches and lack of interest in the remaining trainers. All of this couldn’t help but affect the outcomes.

You mainly deal with single men. Who can now vie for high placements among the Russian team members?

If we’re talking about senior category among men, the most favorable positions are held by Sergei Voronov, Andrei Lutai, and Andrei Griazev. The young shoots aren’t yet mature enough to find their place on the team.

What about Evgeny Plushenko? Is he coming back, or isn’t he?

Zhenya is a super-athlete. He conducted three training camps with me – in Italy, Estonia, and Germany – and reached the mastery level that no leading Russian skaters of the time had. A couple of elements he performed overshadowed everyone else with his perfection. Currently, however, he has a lot on his plate – his deputy’s duties, family, divorce, TV, and his own show. He therefore lost the opportunity to continue real training. If, however, he would seriously get back into it, he will become the best in Russia. I will welcome him at any moment, and will enjoy working with him, because such work always yields some creative ideas. However, I can’t say for sure that he’ll come back. That question should be addressed to him personally.

What are Russia’s chances in other types of figure skating?

Pair skating now has a strong team of Kawaguchi-Smirnov, but by Sochi there will be a generation change. It’s entirely possible that some of the teams now training with the extraordinary coach Natalya Pavlova will be real contenders in Sochi.

The ladies skating, though, looks like a Russian “Zaporozhets” acquiring “Mercedes” bumper. At the last European championships, the TV commentators talked excitedly about our girls’ 17th and 19th places, declaring this to be a great achievement. But even 50 years ago, when Scheglova and Grzhibovskaya got 4th, 5th, and 6th places, this was considered a failure.

Is it really that bad?

No, not really. If you look at the girls who are now 11 through 13, you see several young skaters whose skating is on par with the strongest girls of that age around the world. Heading this list is Lisa Tuktamyseva. I would also include Polina Shelepen, Nicole Gasviani, and Adelina Sotnikova. Those children can realistically be among the strongest by the Sochi Olympics, since having the Games in your home country has special significance for the athletes.

However, if we speak of figure skating in general, for a while now men skating has personified the most avant-garde thinking and the brightest accomplishments. I think, therefore, that a renaissance of Russian figure skating awaits us primarily in this discipline, since our group has wonderful children we’re putting our hopes into. For example, Feodosy Efremenkov and Vladislav Tarasenkov could get to the level comparable to the strongest skaters of the World by the time of the Sochi Olympics.

What about ice dancing?

I have my own opinions about this discipline. Sure, dances are bright, beautiful, and joyful, but due to the nebulous nature of judging criteria inherent in this discipline, they do not belong in Olympic Games. It would therefore be silly to talk about athletic prospects there. I, for example, like the tango, while you prefer foxtrot – how do we then judge the sport? The whole history of ice dancing says that the work of the judging corps determined the results more so than professional mastery.

What about the televised dancing on ice, what do you think of it?

I know many fans who enjoy “Ice Ages” a lot. Those shows do po****rize figure skating. However, figure skating and “Ice Ages” are not one and same. I don’t overestimate their importance, let it develop as it may, but I tend to share Prime Minister Vladimir Putin’s position, who, back when he was president, said, “How is it – many shows, but few medals”. I think we should have many shows and many medals. My diagnosis is that the mastery and professional level of those responsible for the shows is much higher than the mastery and professional level of those responsible for the sport.

Iulya
12th December 2008, 14:39
un clip cu antrenorii Tamara Moskvina si Alexei Mishin de cand patinau in proba de perechi ...si o mica reeditare in prezent
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cM5ls3H1plo

irinaidu
20th January 2009, 01:53
un articol interesant.
http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26394

mai ales ce spune despre plushy.

mesteritza
20th January 2009, 10:49
wow 2 stiri despre patinajul rusesc azi:D Ma simt rasfatata :)

Tracoromana
19th August 2009, 15:22
Echipa de juniori a lui Mishin (cu ceva exceptii) la Scoala Internationala de patinaj artistic Alexei Mishin, Tartu-Estonia.
Playlist (8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdA4wNDJ3TA&feature=PlayList&p=0789D220275244DE&index=0&playnext=1
1. Artur Gatchinsky (16 ani)
2. Maria Stavitskaya.
3. Elizaveta Tuktamysheva (12 ani) - foarte promitatoare.
4. Andrei Lutai
5. Andrei Zuber
6. Vladislav Smirnov
7. Maksim Sheplonov
8. Vladislav Tarasenko

irinaidu
19th August 2009, 17:54
cu cateva exceptii a lui mishin sau cu cateva exceptii juniori? :P presupun ca lutai nu mai e junior, nu? hmm, astept sa vad daca mishin o sa mai produca ceva care sa confirme si la nivel inalt. dar decat sa mai produca un plushy mai bine deloc.

SimonaB
8th March 2011, 13:30
Astazi este ziua lui Mishin, implineste 70 de ani!:floricica:/OLE/

LA MULTI ANI!!!!!!!

Dupa cum am mai spus, astazi va fi la St. Petersburg un show in cinstea zilei lui de nastere, spectacol la care vor participa fosti si actuali elevi precum si invitati internationali, Stephane Lambiel si Johnny Weir. Mishin va patina si el impreuna cu Tamara Moskvina. Plushy a spus ca e prima data cand participa la ziua de nastere a lui Mishin, ei neserbandu-si niciodata zilele de nastere impreuna deoarece nu le plac familiaritatile!
Pun si cateva poze cu el:

Mishin laudandu-se cu elevii lui :yes:
http://i52.tinypic.com/4hxw2e.jpg

:))
http://i55.tinypic.com/2md15z7.jpg

Mishin si Tamara Moskvina
http://i54.tinypic.com/2hn6xb4.jpg

Mishin mustruluindu-l pe Plushy:drak::evil:
http://i51.tinypic.com/14tn8jm.jpg

SimonaB
10th March 2011, 10:55
Cateva filmulete de la show-ul lui Mishin

Lambiel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1bis9owV_s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZfIxH0Grv0

Johnny
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpwmR3Ej-wE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nidetWlj3hY

Plushy trebuia sa patineze de trei ori dar era mult prea bolnav :(
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwE3Edr4HPU

Urmanov care pana la urma a ajuns sa patineze in blugi!:)):drak: Am citit in urma cu mult timp un interviu in care era intrebat ce parere are despre criticile care i se aduc pentru costumele prea impopotonate cu care apare. Urmanov a zis ceva ca ce sa faca, sa patineze in blugi, nu concepe asa ceva!:happy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHr4Vtiq4MM

Liza
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiVlPt--LF4&feature=channel_video_title


Sala a fost arhiplina dupa cum se poate vedea
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rjMdHwclOI

Poze:
http://thallja.gallery.ru/watch?a=Nvl-gggI
http://foto.rg.ru/gall/10986ec7?1

SimonaB
10th March 2011, 11:40
Unul din cadourile primite de Mishin :))
http://i53.tinypic.com/66ycz7.jpg

Tracoromana
10th March 2011, 14:18
La multi ani Alexei Mishin!! pana la urma cu bune, cu rele, si-a dedicat viata patinajului. Imi place poza cu Yags, Plushi si Urmanov.

Am tot cautat polka aceea draguta care i-a facut celebri pe Mishin si Moskvina, am gasit doar asta de atunci:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnWyPBEYLhU

si de la 66 de ani:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6Y4rQpendI&feature=related

Cromatic
10th March 2011, 18:05
Relativ la elevii sai Yagudin si Plushenko, Mishin a declarat ca el nu poate tine la doua persoane in aceeasi masura.

Yagudin si Mishin nu au fost compatibili ca fire, personalitate, cum vrei sa-i zici. Daca ai urmarit un interviu tv cu Mishin de acum cateva luni, el zice, comparandu-l pe Evgeni cu alti elevi ai lui, ceva de genul: Ii spun lui Evgeni sa faca asta si asta, iar el raspunde "Da, maestre"' si face imediat, le spun altor elevi sa faca asta si asta, mai uit in jur si vad ca nu fac nimic. Ei, Yagudin s-a cam incadrat in a doua categorie, el nu s-a omorat cu munca, iar Mishin, avand un alt elev talentat si pe deasupra foarte ascultator, si-a pierdut interesul fata de celalalt.

Alexei, dupa ce a plecat la Tarasova, a fost foarte sarguincios in primul an - sezonul '98/'99 - fiindca ce altceva putea sa faca, fusese rupt din mediul lui, nu cunostea locurile, nu avea prieteni, depindea integral de Tarasova cu care si locuia sub acelasi acoperis. Dupa aceea insa, a inceput sa se lase pe tanjeala. Singur a recunoscut in niste declaratii din 2000 si 2001 ca nu s-a concentrat pe antrenamente si a petrecut prea mult timp in baruri si cu fete.;) Iar daca urmariti pe youtube un filmulet intitulat "O zi la scoala de pregatire a Tatianei Tarasova, vedeti cam cum se desfasurau antrenamentele, Tarasova il ruga sa repete programul, iar el refuza, zicea ca e obosit, o facea pe biata femeie sa tipe la el. Cand Tarasova a spus ca cei patru ani petrecuti cu Yagudin au fost cei ma dificili ani din toata cariera ei de antrenoare, a stiu ea de ce.;) Noroc ca Alexei si-a mai venit in fire in sezonul olimpic.

Talentul nu este suficient si in nici un caz nu poate inlocui munca, in timp ce munca mai poate compensa abilitati mediocre. Frank Carroll a spus asa despre Lysacek versus Johnny Weir: Cand l-am vazut prima oara pe Johnny, mi-am zis dumnezeule, n-am mai vazut in viata mea un baiat atat de talentat. Cand l-am vazut prima oara pe Evan, mi-am zis dumnezeule, n-am mai vazut nici o data un baiat atat de determinat.

Mediocrul Lysacek este campion mondial si olimpic, iar stralucitul Johnny...mi se pare ca cel mai bun rezultat al lui a fost un bronz la mondiale.

Revenind la Mishin, singurul lucru pe care au am a i-l reprosa este afirmatia conform careia psihologul lui Yagudin i-a facut farmece lui Evgeni si de-aia a cazut la olimpiada. Daca ar fi spus doar Evgeni lucrul asta, nici nu as fi bagat in seama, patinatorii sunt in fond niste copii, dar Mishin...absolut jenant. Ce usor ar fi, iti angajezi un om care sa le faca farmece rivalilor si castigi tot.:happy


Urmanov a zis ceva ca ce sa faca, sa patineze in blugi, nu concepe asa ceva!:happy


:)) Ei, dar vremurile s-au mai schimbat si poate ca Urmanov a vrut sa profite de ocazie pentru a-i arata lui Lambiel ce inseamna un program modern, conectat la secolul al XXI-lea.;)

Cadoul pentru Mishin este delicios, ca si expresia de pe fata sarbatoritului, un fel de "Lasa ca va arat eu voua." LOL

Ii urez lui Alexei Mishin multa sanatate si putere de munca.

SimonaB
10th March 2011, 18:30
Revenind la Mishin, singurul lucru pe care au am a i-l reprosa este afirmatia conform careia psihologul lui Yagudin i-a facut farmece lui Evgeni si de-aia a cazut la olimpiada. Daca ar fi spus doar Evgeni lucrul asta, nici nu as fi bagat in seama, patinatorii sunt in fond niste copii, dar Mishin...absolut jenant. Ce usor ar fi, iti angajezi un om care sa le faca farmece rivalilor si castigi tot.:happy

Eu cred ca rusii au o manie cu treaba asta, acelasi lucru s-a spus si despre Morozov care bolboroseste mereu de dupa mantinela cand patineaza elevii lui si chiar despre Tarasova care si ea a fost prinsa inganand chestii ciudate in timpul programelor lui Mao. :)):happy
Ideea lui Mishin a fost cat se poate de nastrusnica si mie mi-a parut rau cand l-am auzit pe Plushenko intr-un interviu spunand ca a fost o lipsa de concentrare si povestind cum fusese distras de diferite lucruri prin SLC, experienta olimpica devenind coplesitoare. Povestea cu farmecele era mult mai cool!:yes: :drak:

ice_girl
10th March 2011, 18:37
Atunci daca tot se practica moda cu farmecele sa-i faca si lui Chan cineva farmece , poate asa la Tokio nu reuseste sa sara nici o cvadrupla:)):happy ( I am mean again:drak::D)
Cu Morozov clar se intampla ceva ciudat ca prea se agita la mantinela:))
On-topic: Chiar daca nu e chiar antrenorul meu preferat si eu ii doresc multa sanatate si putere de munca si daca se poate sa mai dea lumii inca un campion de talia lui Plushenko:ok: ( cu toate ca nu cred ca va mai fi altul ca el:D;) )

SimonaB
10th March 2011, 18:41
Atunci daca tot se practica moda cu farmecele sa-i faca si lui Chan cineva farmece , poate asa la Tokio nu reuseste sa sara nici o cvadrupla:)):happy ( I am mean again:drak::D)


Morozov cu siguranta va fi la datorie, isi va pregati farmecele cele mai puternice! De fapt, nu, cele mai puternice vor fi pentru proba fetelor ca sa o ajute pe Miki, dar si pentru Florent va gasi ceva, nu ma indoiesc!:yes::))

Tracoromana
10th March 2011, 20:35
Alexei, dupa ce a plecat la Tarasova, a fost foarte sarguincios in primul an - sezonul '98/'99 - fiindca ce altceva putea sa faca, fusese rupt din mediul lui, nu cunostea locurile, nu avea prieteni, depindea integral de Tarasova cu care si locuia sub acelasi acoperis. Dupa aceea insa, a inceput sa se lase pe tanjeala. Singur a recunoscut in niste declaratii din 2000 si 2001 ca nu s-a concentrat pe antrenamente si a petrecut prea mult timp in baruri si cu fete.;)
Cred ca declaratiile lui au fost mai degraba teribiliste, de adolescent care se lauda cu aventurile lui. E ok. Dar cred ca a fost suficient de ambitios ca sa nu se lase complet pe tanjeala.

Cand Tarasova a spus ca cei patru ani petrecuti cu Yagudin au fost cei ma dificili ani din toata cariera ei de antrenoare, a stiu ea de ce.;) Noroc ca Alexei si-a mai venit in fire in sezonul olimpic.
Tarasova a avut foarte mult tact cu Yags, si daca au fost ani grei, cred ca s-au datorat faptului ca Yags era dificil si nu pentru ca era lenes. Mi-a placut cum l-a aparat cand a facut cateva prostioare de adolsent in timp ce evolua intr-un show. Oricum au fost foarte compatibili si mi-i drag sa-i vad cum isi impartaseau bucuriile si supararile in kiss and cry. Iar Tarasova il iubeste grozav; vorbeste cu drag de Iliusha, dar cand zice Aliosha i se lumineaza toata fata.


Revenind la Mishin, singurul lucru pe care au am a i-l reprosa este afirmatia conform careia psihologul lui Yagudin i-a facut farmece lui Evgeni si de-aia a cazut la olimpiada.
Da, intr-adevar , si asta. Eu ii reprosez insa ca nu a fost un profesionist in alcatuirea programului lui Plushi la Vancouver, asa cum a fost staff-ul lui Evan, sau a lui Daisuke. Cel putin la Evan, mi s-a parut ca programul lui a fost gandit la milimetru. Mishin nu si-a dat seama ca nu e suficient sa se bazeze pe talentul (incontestabil) a lui Plushi, ci este nevoie sa tina seama de tot pachetul de cerinte din noul sistem. Si el stie asta si cred ca se simte vinovat. Dar aici nu vreau sa intru in nesfarsitele polemici.

Ii urez lui Alexei Mishin multa sanatate si putere de munca.
La fel, din inima.

SimonaB
10th March 2011, 21:10
Cred ca declaratiile lui au fost mai degraba teribiliste, de adolescent care se lauda cu aventurile lui. E ok. Dar cred ca a fost suficient de ambitios ca sa nu se lase complet pe tanjeala.
Tarasova a avut foarte mult tact cu Yags, si daca au fost ani grei, cred ca s-au datorat faptului ca Yags era dificil si nu pentru ca era lenes.

Este adevarat, Yagudin era si dificil si sensibil, chiar Mishin a spus asta. Plus ca a crescut fara tata si asta a complicat si mai mult relatia lui cu Mishin care la un moment dat a inceput sa dea semne clare ca il prefera pe Plushy. Fanii lui Yagudin l-au tot acuzat pe Mishin ca s-a purtat urat cu el si de aia Yagudin a plecat dar Mishin nu l-a iertat nici pe Plushy de tratamente mai dure, nu facea discriminari, pur si simplu nu au fost compatibili, cum spunea si Cristina.


Da, intr-adevar , si asta. Eu ii reprosez insa ca nu a fost un profesionist in alcatuirea programului lui Plushi la Vancouver, asa cum a fost staff-ul lui Evan, sau a lui Daisuke. Cel putin la Evan, mi s-a parut ca programul lui a fost gandit la milimetru. Mishin nu si-a dat seama ca nu e suficient sa se bazeze pe talentul (incontestabil) a lui Plushi, ci este nevoie sa tina seama de tot pachetul de cerinte din noul sistem. Si el stie asta si cred ca se simte vinovat. Dar aici nu vreau sa intru in nesfarsitele polemici.

Asa este!:yes: Bine ca ai amintit asta, eu uitasem!!! :drak::evil:

Cromatic
11th March 2011, 00:40
Cred ca declaratiile lui au fost mai degraba teribiliste, de adolescent care se lauda cu aventurile lui. E ok.

Eu cred ca a spus ceea ce de fapt stia toata lumea. ;) Dar niciodata nu as face un capat de tara din asta.


Eu ii reprosez insa ca nu a fost un profesionist in alcatuirea programului lui Plushi la Vancouver, asa cum a fost staff-ul lui Evan, sau a lui Daisuke. Cel putin la Evan, mi s-a parut ca programul lui a fost gandit la milimetru. Mishin nu si-a dat seama ca nu e suficient sa se bazeze pe talentul (incontestabil) a lui Plushi, ci este nevoie sa tina seama de tot pachetul de cerinte din noul sistem.

Plushenko trebuia sa mai execute o cvadrupla la programul liber daca tot vorbim de regele cvadruplelor. Nu este un atac ci doar o nedumerire a mea. Dar sunt de acord cu ce ai spus despre programele lui Evan si Daisuke de la JO. Si chiar daca coalitia anti-Chan va dori sa ma omoare, lol, trebuie sa spun ca si programele lui Patrick sunt excelent alcatuite, nimic nu este lasat la voia intamplarii sau la inspiratia de moment.


Mishin care la un moment dat a inceput sa dea semne clare ca il prefera pe Plushy.

Nici o problema din punctul meu de vedere, poti dicta inimii pe cine sa iubeasca?

Tracoromana
11th March 2011, 00:50
Si chiar daca coalitia anti-Chan va dori sa ma omoare, lol, trebuie sa spun ca si programele lui Patrick sunt excelent alcatuite, nimic nu este lasat la voia intamplarii sau la inspiratia de moment.
Eu sunt de acord.


Nici o problema din punctul meu de vedere, poti dicta inimii pe cine sa iubeasca?
N-ar fi o problema, dar daca lucrezi cu adolescenti trebuie sa fii nu numai antrenor ci si pedagog.

emiii03
11th March 2011, 01:38
total de acord cu tot ce zici tu Cromatic

N-ar fi o problema, dar daca lucrezi cu adolescenti trebuie sa fii nu numai antrenor ci si pedagog.

si parinte, cred eu
iar Tarasova este chiar ca o mama pentru elevii ei. mie Mishin mi se pare prea distant, iar patinajul e un sport in care trebuie sa antrenezi si cu sufletul

SimonaB
11th March 2011, 10:19
mie Mishin mi se pare prea distant, iar patinajul e un sport in care trebuie sa antrenezi si cu sufletul

Mishin sa stii ca nu e neaparat distant dar Alexei avea nevoie de cineva mai mamos, clar.

ice_girl
11th March 2011, 12:58
Morozov cu siguranta va fi la datorie, isi va pregati farmecele cele mai puternice! De fapt, nu, cele mai puternice vor fi pentru proba fetelor ca sa o ajute pe Miki, dar si pentru Florent va gasi ceva, nu ma indoiesc!:yes::))
Eu sper ca farmecele lui Morozov sa nu functioneze nici la Miki nici la Florent:evil::drak::happy:D

Cromatic
12th March 2011, 02:12
Mishin sa stii ca nu e neaparat distant dar Alexei avea nevoie de cineva mai mamos, clar.

Am impresia ca Mishin isi trateaza elevii in mod diferentiat totusi. Acuma o sa speculez, dar mi-e foarte greu sa cred ca Mishin s-ar fi intors in Rusia din SUA lasandu-l pe Plushenko in arestul politiei asa cum a facut cu Andrei Lutai acum doi ani la Skate America cand Lutai s-a imbatat la banchetul de dupa concurs, s-a urcat intr-o masina aflata in parcare si a pornit la drum. LOL Dar de aparat l-a aparat, ce-i drept, spunand ca a vazut el vreo doua fete cam ciudate care se invarteau in jurul lui Andrei la banchet si probabil fetele alea i-au turnat ceva in bautura, fiind puse de dusmanii elevului sau care si-au propus sa-l traga pe linie moarta.

Poate ca i-au turnat ceva in bautura si inainte de concurs daca ne gandim ca baiatul a ocupat locul 10 din 10 sau 11 patinatori prezenti. LOL Il apreciez pe Mishin pentru foarte multe lucruri, dar cateodata vine cu niste chestii din teoria conspiratiei de-ti sta mintea-n loc.:))


Eu sper ca farmecele lui Morozov sa nu functioneze nici la Miki


Eu una sunt convinsa ca farmecele lui Morozov functioneaza chiar foarte bine la Miki, doar ca altfel decat poate crezi tu.;)

SimonaB
12th March 2011, 20:40
Am impresia ca Mishin isi trateaza elevii in mod diferentiat totusi. Dar de aparat l-a aparat, ce-i drept, spunand ca a vazut el vreo doua fete cam ciudate care se invarteau in jurul lui Andrei la banchet si probabil fetele alea i-au turnat ceva in bautura, fiind puse de dusmanii elevului sau care si-au propus sa-l traga pe linie moarta.

Nu doar ca l-a aparat, Mishin a zis ca i-a tras si cateva dupaci parintesti de era sa il ia si pe el politia ca il agresa pe Lutai!:)):happy

ice_girl
13th March 2011, 19:44
Eu una sunt convinsa ca farmecele lui Morozov functioneaza chiar foarte bine la Miki, doar ca altfel decat poate crezi tu.;)
Da, stiu ca Miki il gaseste fermecator pe Morozov:yes::D:drak:, eu le doresc sa fie fericiti impreuna si sa se iubeasca mult;):)

P.S. Simona, a reaparut emoticonul tau preferat:groggy:, de acum il poti iarasi folosi/hello:P

ice_girl
16th March 2011, 00:18
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ice_girl
19th April 2011, 21:40
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ice_girl
4th October 2011, 13:33
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ice_girl
4th October 2011, 13:34
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Tracoromana
4th March 2016, 09:05
Alexei Mishin implineste 75 de ani. Ii doresc La multi ani si putere de munca.

Ca antrenor stim de-acuma cate realizari de exceptie are. Sa ne amintim de el ca patinator fiindca alaturi de Tamara Moskvina in 1969 au fost campioni nationali.
Programul de mai jos este foarte placut de urmarit, nu este plictisitor.

Tamara Moskvina & Alexei Mishin - 1968 Olympics - FS - locul 5:

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Tracoromana
25th September 2016, 23:54
Cei 3 elevi ai lui Mishin care au devenit campioni olimpici:
http://s017.radikal.ru/i419/1603/eb/3aa92127dd03.jpg
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Tracoromana
9th March 2017, 10:14
La 76 de ani, la multi ani domnule Mishin!
https://twitter.com/Lily_shenka/status/839347913889239040